GraffitiSpotCorals January 22, 2015 January 22, 2015 I recently ordered a pack from someone selling some corals on a well known website. The person is a known good seller with beautiful corals. One other person ordered with me as well. Turns out one of the frags was eaten up by aefw, bite marks were very obvious. Not sure if the guy knew he had them and didn't care, or justified it by trying to make sure they were clean of worms or truly didn't know he had them. Either way it doesnt matter and the point is it can happen to anybody. But it is a good reminder to people that no matter who you are buying from there is ALWAYS the potential to get a pest that will eat your corals and potentially wipe out your collection. There is always that one person who doesn't care about pests and only cares about the potential profit. And then there are the people that don't even know they have a pest, and can be an advanced aquarist who may have got a coral from a friend which unknowingly infected their system. I figured this was a good time since there is a meeting coming up, to remind everyone to dip your corals in the proper dip or quarantine your corals. Certain dips are much better than others for certain corals as well and using the right one can help a lot. Dealing with hitchhikers is something you will have to deal with if you keep a reef tank so take precautions at every step. There are snails that eat snails, pods that eat corals, worms, nudis, spiders, and the list keeps going. This is a good time to check your corals for pests, especially if your selling or trading with others. Just because wamas is a good club doesn't mean the people in it all are free of hitchhikers! Its really hard to see some like aefw and red bugs and if you don't know what to look for read up on it! Don't keep corals and find out how to treat pests after you discover you have them. Research before you ever get them and take the right steps to keep your tank clean and pest free from the start. I have fought pests before and have learned a lot from it. I do not worry myself with the thought of getting pests anymore. I understand how to take care of them and am prepared to do so if I have to. This really helps me enjoy my tanks. When I used to worry about getting them it consumed my thoughts a points, but once I changed my thoughts and practices reefing is much more fun and enjoyable! This was just something on my mind and i try and remind everyone once a year or so. If anyone has anything to add that might help someone keep a cleaner tank and have a more pleasant experience please chime in. Hopefully everyone has a good time at the meet! See you there.
DuffyGeos January 22, 2015 January 22, 2015 I recently ordered a pack from someone selling some corals on a well known website. The person is a known good seller with beautiful corals. One other person ordered with me as well. Turns out one of the frags was eaten up by aefw, bite marks were very obvious. Not sure if the guy knew he had them and didn't care, or justified it by trying to make sure they were clean of worms or truly didn't know he had them. Either way it doesnt matter and the point is it can happen to anybody. But it is a good reminder to people that no matter who you are buying from there is ALWAYS the potential to get a pest that will eat your corals and potentially wipe out your collection. There is always that one person who doesn't care about pests and only cares about the potential profit. And then there are the people that don't even know they have a pest, and can be an advanced aquarist who may have got a coral from a friend which unknowingly infected their system. I figured this was a good time since there is a meeting coming up, to remind everyone to dip your corals in the proper dip or quarantine your corals. Certain dips are much better than others for certain corals as well and using the right one can help a lot. Dealing with hitchhikers is something you will have to deal with if you keep a reef tank so take precautions at every step. There are snails that eat snails, pods that eat corals, worms, nudis, spiders, and the list keeps going. This is a good time to check your corals for pests, especially if your selling or trading with others. Just because wamas is a good club doesn't mean the people in it all are free of hitchhikers! Its really hard to see some like aefw and red bugs and if you don't know what to look for read up on it! Don't keep corals and find out how to treat pests after you discover you have them. Research before you ever get them and take the right steps to keep your tank clean and pest free from the start. I have fought pests before and have learned a lot from it. I do not worry myself with the thought of getting pests anymore. I understand how to take care of them and am prepared to do so if I have to. This really helps me enjoy my tanks. When I used to worry about getting them it consumed my thoughts a points, but once I changed my thoughts and practices reefing is much more fun and enjoyable! This was just something on my mind and i try and remind everyone once a year or so. If anyone has anything to add that might help someone keep a cleaner tank and have a more pleasant experience please chime in. Hopefully everyone has a good time at the meet! See you there. Paul- What products do you recommend for different types of corals? Zoas, acros, montis, etc. Maybe some people don't dip because they are not sure what to use on certain corals, how many times to do it, etc. -thanks
YHSublime January 22, 2015 January 22, 2015 Mitigate your risk, dip everything, trust nobody. QT everything if you can. Good reminder, perfect timing with the meet, like you mentioned.
GraffitiSpotCorals January 22, 2015 Author January 22, 2015 Sps - Bayer, revive, coral rx Zoanthids - iodine, tmpcc, revive, coral Rx, hydrogen peroxide LPs - coral Rx or revive This is just what we use most of the time. Sometimes one works better for a certain coral issue. I am sure you can mix them up with success and use them on other corals. Bayer is the best for sps I have found. ZOA's you can use a variety of stuff for sure but each has its pro and con in each situation.
WilRams January 22, 2015 January 22, 2015 So just as a general blanket treatment Coral RX ad Revive seem to be the ones?
GraffitiSpotCorals January 22, 2015 Author January 22, 2015 Yea for us they work good, coral Rx seems more gental and I think people have used Bayer for other things as well but I would research that before you attempt it. If anyone wants to elaborate on the certain dip for certain coral aspect please do, I am tired and a little busy to go into it right now. Especially what dip for what zoanthids problems you have since that's one where certain dips work better than others the most.
DuffyGeos January 23, 2015 January 23, 2015 Can you dip them back to back in each dip or do you want a day or two then dip in the next product? Anyone else have a dip schedule or input on what they use?
John Ford January 23, 2015 January 23, 2015 Im no expert but will share what i do when i get a new Zoa Bring rodi water to the tank temp that its going in. Place my zoa in that for a couple minutes. I have two small pint containers of tank water and mix one with a cap of coralRX. Dip for about 10 minutes in that. The last pint container i add a few drops of lugols iodine and mix it. Dip for about 5 mintes and add them to my frag tank. (Used to be main but now i have a frag tank) I have lost a few zoas doing this but so far i have not had any pest. Id rather lose a 50 dollar frag then fight a pest..
YHSublime January 23, 2015 January 23, 2015 I've dipped zoas in Bayer with success. I prefer coralRX with softies/Lps though. Sps, Bayer.
AlanM January 23, 2015 January 23, 2015 I lost a red dragon frag after bayer dip. It seems that the skinny growth form, smooth skin type corals don't do well with bayer. I'd be careful with bayer with echinata and red dragon. Everything else has come through my bayer dip just fine, but I do use coral Rx or RPS All Out (which smells the same as coral Rx) on zoas.
Tinpanva January 23, 2015 January 23, 2015 I was doing an iodine based dip and still got a really bad case of red bugs about 1.5 years ago. I use Bayer now on everything. I've only lost one coral in 2 years doing it. But it may have been my fault as I did 2 treatments less than a week apart trying to rush things out of my QT. Dumb. I've never dipped the smooth corals like the previous poster so I can't comment. But IMHO, iodine based dips are really only good to prevent infections on fresh cuts.
Der ABT January 23, 2015 January 23, 2015 Also pests can come in on anything......aefw on clams....live rock....equipment I bet..not just on the types of corals the pests bothers Never would thought aefw could ride on a clam
Origami January 23, 2015 January 23, 2015 I lost a red dragon frag after bayer dip. It seems that the skinny growth form, smooth skin type corals don't do well with bayer. I'd be careful with bayer with echinata and red dragon. Everything else has come through my bayer dip just fine, but I do use coral Rx or RPS All Out (which smells the same as coral Rx) on zoas. +1. When we first heard about using Bayer insecticide as a dip, it was from our own Mike Henley. In that talk, he also commented on the apparent sensitivity of some smooth-skinned corals (like Acropora echinata) to the dip. The point is, while you should dip everything, research the dips and understand that almost all of them cause some level of stress which, if excessive or done wrong, can result in loss. Paul, thanks for the reminder!
Cliff Puckstable January 23, 2015 January 23, 2015 I don't know if I ever shared my dipping procedures so here is how I add new corals into my tank. Unfortunately I don't have a qt system so I'm very cautious of what and who I buy from. (I'm no expert. This is just how I do things.) 1. Float coral for temp 10 mins 2. 15-30 min Bayer dip. I use 10cc per cup of sw 3. 10 min revive dip. Half a cap per cup sw( it's strong) 4. 5 min peroxide dip. 10cc per cup sw 5. Into the tank. I blast them every minute or so with a syringe. The corals get the crap beat out of them but they always recover. I've inly lost 2-3 sps pieces ever doing it this way. Once in the tank I leave it alone. Im very rarely in the tank touching/moving things.
TrueTricia January 23, 2015 January 23, 2015 So just as a general blanket treatment Coral RX ad Revive seem to be the ones? One of the problems with Revive is that it doesn't seem to work on some nudibranchs. I just finished cleared out all montipora-eating nudibranchs from my tank. Revive didn't touch them, which is what I was originally using and how I ended up with the little slimy white buggers. CoralRx says it kills MEN. I ended up going with Bayer and dipping my corals. I've only lost one coral due to a Bayer dip, and I've dipped LPS & SPS in Bayer. I don't keep a QT set up all the time, so things get a very good dip before going in the tank.
ridetheducati January 23, 2015 January 23, 2015 AEFW is to Reef Ebola One can survive a bout with AEFW but it will test your fortitude. Also, dips are not very effective against AEFW eggs. Fresh cut and fully inspect SPS with magnifying glass then dip.
wangspeed January 23, 2015 January 23, 2015 Paul and I are in the ride on this one. We did a group buy from him. The seller did make right by refunding, but what an utter pain in the butt this has been. Really wish I had room for QT. -- Warren
TrueTricia January 23, 2015 January 23, 2015 I don't know if I ever shared my dipping procedures so here is how I add new corals into my tank. Unfortunately I don't have a qt system so I'm very cautious of what and who I buy from. (I'm no expert. This is just how I do things.) 1. Float coral for temp 10 mins 2. 15-30 min Bayer dip. I use 10cc per cup of sw 3. 10 min revive dip. Half a cap per cup sw( it's strong) 4. 5 min peroxide dip. 10cc per cup sw 5. Into the tank. I blast them every minute or so with a syringe. The corals get the crap beat out of them but they always recover. I've inly lost 2-3 sps pieces ever doing it this way. Once in the tank I leave it alone. Im very rarely in the tank touching/moving things. 10 cc of Bayer per cup of SW? That is definitely more concentrated than I've been using! My instructions came with 5cc p/ 1L (4.33c). Should I be doing a stronger dip?
wangspeed January 23, 2015 January 23, 2015 Those are 2 seperate frags. I did not identify an actual flatworm when I dipped, but it's hard to tell since I use a strongly mixed Bayer solution, which makes it hard to see anything through. Plus there's just so much stuff that dies as soon as the Bayer takes effect that it is hard to pick small AEFW out.
Origami January 23, 2015 January 23, 2015 10 cc of Bayer per cup of SW? That is definitely more concentrated than I've been using! My instructions came with 5cc p/ 1L (4.33c). Should I be doing a stronger dip? 3/4 of the way down here in Mike's briefing that introduced us to the Bayer dip. Use 4 ml Bayer to 1 liter of water. This works out to about 1 tablespoon per gallon.
GraffitiSpotCorals January 24, 2015 Author January 24, 2015 (edited) I use way more than one table spoon per gallon and do quick dips, like 4 or 5 min. I put two caps of Bayer in a gallon and do not notice any I'll effects on the coral after the dip. I think people have varied amounts they are used to using and its all about what works for you. I am not sure how well one tablespoon would work in a gallon though, does anyone else use that little? I guess its not to far from the two capfuls I use. On the frag order topic... Luckily for me I have other tanks to qt in, I didn't put any frags that had bite marks in either. Even though they don't have bite marks I will still have to watch them. Aefw are sneaky little buggers. And the other concern is red bugs come hand in hand with aefw and normally you don't see red bugs until their populations get large and that normally will not happen til many months after they get in. Crazy thing is I have seen more acro pests visiting peoples tanks and buying aquaculture corals from people, than I have ordering wild and maricultured corals from my favorite suppliers. I think this experience has ruined the buying aquacultures for me. Anyways the wild corals look better than any aquacultures I have had It was very weird how the seller acted like it was no big deal. He acted surprised to see the bite marks and then suddenly said he had a piece from a friend that had flatworms on it last month. He "treated" and never saw any after that. And dipped everything after he got the pics from us followed by another "I didn't see anything". They are definatly fresh marks and they are in his tank for sure, up to him to learn how to get rid of them i guess. Apparently he was putting frags he was selling to heal in the same system as the affected colony or colonies, which is completely wrong and unethical. I am sure he must have sold to at least 20 people if I had to guess. His frags were beautiful, the ones that weren't eaten. Amazing color. But that goes to show you how deceiving these things are. Edited January 24, 2015 by Piper27
wangspeed January 24, 2015 January 24, 2015 Same here. I don't even measure anymore. I put a lot into 1 - 1.5 cups of water. Enough so that I cannot id the frag. 10ml per cup sounds about right for a 5 minute dip. -- Warren
Origami January 24, 2015 January 24, 2015 I use way more than one table spoon per gallon and do quick dips, like 4 or 5 min. I put two caps of Bayer in a gallon and do not notice any I'll effects on the coral after the dip. I think people have varied amounts they are used to using and its all about what works for you. I am not sure how well one tablespoon would work in a gallon though, does anyone else use that little? I guess its not to far from the two capfuls I use. Paul, the 1 tablespoon per gallon rate was provided to us by Mike Henley, from the National Zoo (who is also our own OUSnakebyte), and was based on studies that he did on an infected tank. Stronger concentrations may be fine. As they say, ymmv. Sent from my phone
sen5241b January 26, 2015 January 26, 2015 Sps - Bayer, revive, coral rx Zoanthids - iodine, tmpcc, revive, coral Rx, hydrogen peroxide LPs - coral Rx or revive This is just what we use most of the time. Sometimes one works better for a certain coral issue. I am sure you can mix them up with success and use them on other corals. Bayer is the best for sps I have found. ZOA's you can use a variety of stuff for sure but each has its pro and con in each situation. I dipped radioactive green zoas in Hydrogen Peroxide and their green color was washed out somewhat after the dip.
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