DaveS February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 Since the QT isn't really a QT at this point, why don't you just plumb it into your DT setup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanM February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 Since the QT isn't really a QT at this point, why don't you just plumb it into your DT setup? That's what I was wondering too. It's really just an acclimation tank. Plumb it in and be done with it since you're exchanging water back and forth already anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YHSublime February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 OP, you reused food from qt into your DT? I hope the only purpose of your QT is to get this fish eating! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Yes. For now the QT is only being used for weaning the OSF. Since the QT isn't really a QT at this point, why don't you just plumb it into your DT setup? That's what I was wondering too. It's really just an acclimation tank. Plumb it in and be done with it since you're exchanging water back and forth already anyway. Bingo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arking_mark February 17, 2016 Author Share February 17, 2016 Question would be how to plumb it together. The DT is an AIO RSM 130D and the QT a AIO Spec V. Only thing that comes to mind is a small pump pumping From the QT to the DT and a siphon back to the DT with a float valve. Or is there something easier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YHSublime February 18, 2016 Share February 18, 2016 Do you have enough room for an acclimation box? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arking_mark February 18, 2016 Author Share February 18, 2016 Dumb question, what is an acclamation box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YHSublime February 18, 2016 Share February 18, 2016 Dumb question, what is an acclamation box? This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squishie89 February 18, 2016 Share February 18, 2016 Dumb question, what is an acclamation box? something like this, doesn't have to be that fancy, one can be made out of egg crate and zip ties http://synergyreef.com/product/acclimation-fallout-shelter-2/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arking_mark February 18, 2016 Author Share February 18, 2016 That is a great idea! Similar to a fry holder...but big for fish. I have egg crate and zip ties! I'll sleep on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YHSublime February 18, 2016 Share February 18, 2016 That is a great idea! Similar to a fry holder...but big for fish. I have egg crate and zip ties! I'll sleep on it. A bought one is worth the investment, especially if you plan on adding fish down the line. It's a really great method of introducing fish with your current stocklist. It would also be easier to observe rather than eggcrate, and probably feed. If your adding branches of SPS though I would be wary of it getting out, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arking_mark February 18, 2016 Author Share February 18, 2016 (edited) Day 6: - Exciting news maybe…read on - Ammonia @ 0 this morning and followed morning feeding and cleaning routine. The OSF did bite at a floating piece of Rods…but seemed to spit it out. - Evening the ammonia had risen between 0 and .25. However, color was closer to .25 this time so I added some AmQel. Will continue to monitor. - Went to Marine Scene for acro and ideas. After being lectured about how OSF should not be aquarium pets, the individual listened to my efforts and recommended adding some dense algae and pods since I observed the OSF picking at rock. - So in addition to 2nd feeding of gel food and Rods that I smeared on the larger acro (which is starting to die)…he definitely grazed on the acro. Not sure any of the prepared food was eaten. However, he spent as much time with the purple ochtode and Pods around it. Maybe just curious but maybe not. See pictures. - Did a 50% water change using DT water. - Tomorrow evening I will try live brine shrimp and see how that goes. - Still looking for advice on getting this OSF weaned. Any more ideas? Edited February 18, 2016 by arking_mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arking_mark February 19, 2016 Author Share February 19, 2016 Day 6: - Morning and evening Ammonia @ 0. Yah! - Following my morning feeding routine, I added my small acro with rods. However, I got no feeding response. - Worried, I offered a larger heavily polyped acro and got an amazing response. See picture. - For evening, I offered live brine shrimp to no response. I thought there would be better interest as the OSF is picking at rocks and octode for pods. - Late evening, I offered another acro with no feeding response. I am a little worried at this point. - Tomorrow, I will re-offer the acro that had the great response. - Thanks to Marco @ ERC (Monkiboy), I have some additional tricks up my sleeve. Two more foods to try: LRS and PEMysis. Along with these foods, he also provided some dead coral the resembles the coral that had the great response for me to smear the food on. - Re-read Matt Pedersen article and feel I may need to offer food for longer periods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WheresTheReef February 19, 2016 Share February 19, 2016 I found in the past that small-mouthed fish took Hikari mysis better then PEMysis as they are/were much smaller. Haven't compared in a while, but Hikari mysis are definitely on the smaller side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpu933k February 19, 2016 Share February 19, 2016 You can always cut the pe mysis too. I used to do that for smaller fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanM February 19, 2016 Share February 19, 2016 This won't stick to the coral skeleton, but the PE calanus really gets all my fish chasing stuff. They are in frozen cubes that immediately turn into tiny pink bugs in the water. Not sticky at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arking_mark February 21, 2016 Author Share February 21, 2016 Day 7: - Morning and evening Ammonia @ 0. Yah! - Still worried, I offered a larger heavily polyped acro again for breakfast and still got an amazing response. - Had afternoon and evening plans…but was able to make LRS coated skeletons. Day 8: - Morning ammonia @ 0 - Presented LRS coated skeleton for breakfast and had some grazing!! - Afternoon, I presented another LRS coated skeleton to no reaction. - Ammonia was slightly above 0 so I did a 20% water change with DT. - Seeing that the OSF is still losing weight, I provided it an sps that is dying out do the abuse it wad receiving previously with gel coatings. The OSF spent most of the evening grazing in it. - Did another 50% water change with the DT as the ammonia was still a tad above zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arwndsh February 22, 2016 Share February 22, 2016 Why are you not trying to get a reliable feeding response from him before you try to wean him? Wouldn't it be easier for you to wean him after you are sure you can keep it healthy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveS February 24, 2016 Share February 24, 2016 Any update? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arking_mark February 24, 2016 Author Share February 24, 2016 Day 9, 10, 11: - With the coated coral skeleton feedings, I cannot keep the tank ammonia down. It vacillates between 0 and .5. So the following has become routine for the last 3 days. Measure morning ammonia. If ammonia is not close to 0, dose Amqel (mornings are usually close to 0). Feed LRS coated coral at 7:30. Cleanup at 8am with syphon and feed display tank with what remains on skeleton (most of the food). Feed another Rods coated coral skeleton in the afternoon for about 30 minutes. 80% water change with the DT. Live coral feed in the later evening for about 1hr. Test the ammonia. If not 0, dose amqel. - The OSF will lightly graze on coated coral and heavily graze on the live coral. Otherwise it hunts pods for the remainder of the day. - The OSF continues to lose weight. - Progress seems slow and not so promising. - Live brine shrimp does not work. - I have added ochtode and been dosing pods to keep their numbers up. - Looking for additional ideas… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anemone February 24, 2016 Share February 24, 2016 Why are you not trying to get a reliable feeding response from him before you try to wean him? Wouldn't it be easier for you to wean him after you are sure you can keep it healthy? This sounds like the only realist approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arking_mark February 24, 2016 Author Share February 24, 2016 Per the Matt Pederson article, I am getting a reliable feeding response with live coral. "Once the fish nips at live coral, you can start the process of weaning." I was able to obtain 5 corals to supplement weaning. Of the 5, only 2 have elicited a heavy grazing response, one of which is mostly dead now. The other two nothing so far. I am acclimating the new live coral addition (purchased yesterday) to help supplement weaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkiboy February 24, 2016 Share February 24, 2016 Why are you not trying to get a reliable feeding response from him before you try to wean him? Wouldn't it be easier for you to wean him after you are sure you can keep it healthy?in a case like this I have had the best luck using the fish's natural food source and getting it eating well on that for at least a week or two and conditioning markers both audio and visual to the food and behavior. only then begin to wean. to wean onto prepared with no adjustment or transition from it's natural food source is a rough path to take with specimens finicky as this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkiboy February 24, 2016 Share February 24, 2016 Per the Matt Pederson article, I am getting a reliable feeding response with live coral. "Once the fish nips at live coral, you can start the process of weaning." I was able to obtain 5 corals to supplement weaning. Of the 5, only 2 have elicited a heavy grazing response, one of which is mostly dead now. The other two nothing so far. I am acclimating the new live coral addition (purchased yesterday) to help supplement weaning.glad you read the article. Pederson did some amazing work with the species and is always willing to contribute. I do sometimes think he makes part of that series make it seem too easy though, haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arking_mark February 24, 2016 Author Share February 24, 2016 For the first week, I had the fish reliably eating live coral...and trying out gel foods and other offerings. I am now onto the weaning phase, as it is my understanding that unless you have a large reef, you will not be able to meet the fishes eating requirements. The fact that my fish is eating pods and lightly grazing the coated coral is a start. It may transition in time to prepared foods. I could throw in into the DT, which would probably prolong it life in the short term (live coral and more pods), but would kill long term success as it would not have enough live coral and not adapt to prepared foods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkey18 February 24, 2016 Share February 24, 2016 What audio and visual markers do you use? in a case like this I have had the best luck using the fish's natural food source and getting it eating well on that for at least a week or two and conditioning markers both audio and visual to the food and behavior. only then begin to wean. to wean onto prepared with no adjustment or transition from it's natural food source is a rough path to take with specimens finicky as this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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