YHSublime March 28, 2014 Share March 28, 2014 So I have mixes from BRS salts to dose for calc and alk, but I also have B-Ionics Calcium Bufer System Component No.1 alkalinity and calcium buffer system component no.2 calcium. I think that I'm going to go with B-Ionic, it seems worth the costs to have it mixed already and waiting to go. One step ahead of you: So with B-ionic I am planning on just hooking the dosers up into the containers, if this is a silly question, bear with me, I'm just starting. So for my Apex. dosers should be plugged into 4 and 8 on my 8 bar, correct? Can any of you using B-ionic give me an example of your apex program? Anything I'm missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ridetheducati March 28, 2014 Share March 28, 2014 (edited) Your system consumes 100 ppm of calcium and 2 dkh of alk daily? Determine daily consumption of alk and extrapolate for calcium. 1 dkh = ~7 ppm of calcium Edited March 28, 2014 by ridetheducati Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion March 28, 2014 Share March 28, 2014 I think that I'm going to go with B-Ionic, it seems worth the costs to have it mixed already and waiting to go. The 1 Gallon package of B-Ionic costs $33.99 on BRS. The 1 Gallon package of pre-portioned DIY Calcium and Alkalinity costs $12.99 on BRS (price goes down on a group buy as well). That's a big difference in price over time, especially for your big tank. It takes me 5 minutes to make the DIY 2-part. Put some coin in your pocket and go with the second option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion March 28, 2014 Share March 28, 2014 I just looked again and the 1 gallon package for Calcium and Alkalinity is only $8.00. The $12.99 package was for Calcium, Alk, and Mag. Even more of a savings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Origami March 28, 2014 Share March 28, 2014 4 and 8 are good choices if the dosers draw really small current as they are relay outlets. Nominally, 20 ppm of calcium is consumed for every 2.8 dKH of alkalinity. This ratio can be considerably less if the tank has a nitrate problem that is being managed through water changes. (I know that's not the case in your tank.) Sent from my LG G-Pad 8.3 Google Play Edition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sachabballi reef March 28, 2014 Share March 28, 2014 Isaac use brs...it's so much cheaper and as your sps grow you are going to consume a ton...not a good place to be lazy...cost is king...buy some at the gb and save even more Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sachabballi reef March 28, 2014 Share March 28, 2014 Plus qr stocks it if you get into a deficit Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YHSublime March 28, 2014 Author Share March 28, 2014 I have both for the moment, b ionic and brs, so brs us king here, eh? Thanks for confirmation on the outlets, Tom. And numbers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanM March 28, 2014 Share March 28, 2014 bionic has things other than cal, mag, and alk. trace stuff supposedly. the fans of it really love it. /shrug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sachabballi reef March 28, 2014 Share March 28, 2014 Yes sell your b ionic and use the money for brs ...give it to mike i think he uses it Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YHSublime March 28, 2014 Author Share March 28, 2014 Your system consumes 100 ppm of calcium and 2 dkh of alk daily? Determine daily consumption of alk and extrapolate for calcium. 1 dkh = ~7 ppm of calcium Thanks sir. I'd have some serious sps to be going through that amount daily... The 1 Gallon package of B-Ionic costs $33.99 on BRS. The 1 Gallon package of pre-portioned DIY Calcium and Alkalinity costs $12.99 on BRS (price goes down on a group buy as well). That's a big difference in price over time, especially for your big tank. It takes me 5 minutes to make the DIY 2-part. Put some coin in your pocket and go with the second option. Thanks for the advice! I guess I wont be lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sachabballi reef March 28, 2014 Share March 28, 2014 bionic has things other than cal, mag, and alk. trace stuff supposedly. the fans of it really love it. /shrugWater changes will take care of that. A small tank i get it but a packed sps it's not cost efficient Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epleeds March 28, 2014 Share March 28, 2014 you can buy ESV in 5 gallon buckets which bring the costs down a ton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion March 28, 2014 Share March 28, 2014 Isaac, If you need help setting up and programming your Apex let us know. The OSC command can be confusing, but the excel calculator can take a lot of the guess work out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanM March 28, 2014 Share March 28, 2014 Isaac, If you need help setting up and programming your Apex let us know. The OSC command can be confusing, but the excel calculator can take a lot of the guess work out of it. Yep. I couldn't get my head around it before I got the excel spreadsheet, now it's very easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YHSublime March 28, 2014 Author Share March 28, 2014 Water changes will take care of that. A small tank i get it but a packed sps it's not cost efficient Yeah, I plan on being dilligent with my water changes still, it's working. you can buy ESV in 5 gallon buckets which bring the costs down a ton. That is also true. Isaac, If you need help setting up and programming your Apex let us know. The OSC command can be confusing, but the excel calculator can take a lot of the guess work out of it. Thanks! I will be asking for help I'm sure. The hardest part for me will be re-routing my plugs on the apex to open up 4 and 8 Yep. I couldn't get my head around it before I got the excel spreadsheet, now it's very easy. I was looking through the spreadsheet yesterday night, not very hard mind you, but still trying to make heads or tails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanM March 28, 2014 Share March 28, 2014 Thanks! I will be asking for help I'm sure. The hardest part for me will be re-routing my plugs on the apex to open up 4 and 8 For what it's worth, I've been running my BRS dosers on whatever ports I want using one of these little cords after someone posted it: http://www.amazon.com/Coleman-Cable-6991-Liberator-Extension/dp/B001GLWL0O The cords have a light in them that apparently adds enough extra load that the SSR's shut off correctly. Plus it's cool to see it light up when the doser turns on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanM March 28, 2014 Share March 28, 2014 I have extras, by the way, if you want me to bring a couple to the meeting for you to try out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Origami March 28, 2014 Share March 28, 2014 For what it's worth, I've been running my BRS dosers on whatever ports I want using one of these little cords after someone posted it: http://www.amazon.com/Coleman-Cable-6991-Liberator-Extension/dp/B001GLWL0O The cords have a light in them that apparently adds enough extra load that the SSR's shut off correctly. Plus it's cool to see it light up when the doser turns on. Aren't those nice! And a bargain, too. $6 for three, and Amazon Prime as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YHSublime March 28, 2014 Author Share March 28, 2014 For what it's worth, I've been running my BRS dosers on whatever ports I want using one of these little cords after someone posted it: http://www.amazon.com/Coleman-Cable-6991-Liberator-Extension/dp/B001GLWL0O The cords have a light in them that apparently adds enough extra load that the SSR's shut off correctly. Plus it's cool to see it light up when the doser turns on. That would be super cool, Alan. I can bring you some coral in trade, or cash, whatever works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanM March 28, 2014 Share March 28, 2014 That would be super cool, Alan. I can bring you some coral in trade, or cash, whatever works. Hah, they're like a dollar each. Don't worry about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante411x March 28, 2014 Share March 28, 2014 Just a thought here. From looking at the calculator sheet you posted, it looks as if it's giving you higher doses since you put in that you want to raise your ca and ph. Seems that the dose recommended would raise it to that level, but then you'd probably have to see how much is consumed in a day and recalculate it. It would probably be significantly lower. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YHSublime March 28, 2014 Author Share March 28, 2014 Just a thought here. From looking at the calculator sheet you posted, it looks as if it's giving you higher doses since you put in that you want to raise your ca and ph. Seems that the dose recommended would raise it to that level, but then you'd probably have to see how much is consumed in a day and recalculate it. It would probably be significantly lower. Correct. I put it what I was at, and where I wanted to be. I'm just going to calculate consumption from where I am at and that will be my new number. That's what Ride The Ducati was saying above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante411x March 28, 2014 Share March 28, 2014 Yea I saw. Just wanted to say not to write the calculator off completely and do all your own math math is hard, leave it to the computer hahaha Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowieReefer84 March 28, 2014 Share March 28, 2014 Whichever route you take just TEST TEST TEST for the first couple weeks. I was testing Alk twice daily while setting up my dosing regime. Then move to weekly testing and monitor to see when you need to add a couple more minutes here and there to keep things stable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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