Omair February 9, 2012 Share February 9, 2012 I like to keep both snails and hermits. Here is my take on it.. I like a couple kinds of snails, but I especially find Nassarius snails to be extermely useful. Hermits, well I would get small ones bc they will grow. When they grow and get big they eat your snails. So I would avoid buying large hermits to start. Blue legs are good, I like the red leg scarletts, halloweens are cool, but pricey for a crab. As for mithrax(emeralds), I would probably stay away to start. They can be somewhat aggressive. I do like Sally Lightfoots a lot and have never had aggression issues with them, theyre also more active and more likely to be seen. Ultimately its what you like and what you feel will meet your needs. The problem with Emeralds is that people buy two males and 1 female not realizing that the males will hunt each other. Rule of thumb is to get 1 male and 1 female or 1 male and 2-4 females. Males can be differentiated by their claws. Make sure if you get green or red mithrax that you stick with ONE. Green and Reds will fight each other for territory. I found out the hard way. I love my crabs though, watching them hang upside down on my rocks eating and cleaning is great. Trick is to get just enough that they never go hungry, otherwise they will start looking for food elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowieReefer84 February 9, 2012 Share February 9, 2012 Do yourself a favor and don't get any emerald crabs. The only positive is they eat bubble algae, but your tank is large enough to get a fish that eats it. They love to snack on poccillopora and birdsnest type corals, and are predatory in nature. Stick with mainly snails (cerith, nassarius, etc...) and some hermits. jmo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan S February 10, 2012 Author Share February 10, 2012 Okay. Fish List adjusting continues. I think the zebrasoma tangs would be too big for my tank, but the bristletooth look like they'd work just fine. Here are 5 bristletooth tangs: http://aquarium-fish.liveaquaria.com/search?p=Q&lbc=liveaquaria&uid=157297062&ts=results&w=bristletooth&af=temperament:peaceful%20cat1:marinefish&isort=score&method=and Which of these 5 would you recommend? My initial choice, based on looks, is the "Kole Yellow Eye Tang". Do any of you have 1 of those? How are they for personality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trockafella February 10, 2012 Share February 10, 2012 Ive had a kole tang, it was a good fish. I really like the white tails a lot, dont see them to often. The tomini and two spot are also nice. Btw, your tank is fine for a zebrasoma, especially if you start with a 2-3" specimen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainRon February 10, 2012 Share February 10, 2012 Just lost my first repsonse... I've always had a Kole Tang in my tanks. They always seem to be active swimmers and are out and about the tank. The one I have now likes to chase my Coral Beauty around a lot although he doesn't bat an eye at my Two Bar Rabbit Fish. I think they have a "fun" personality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan S February 10, 2012 Author Share February 10, 2012 (edited) Ive had a kole tang, it was a good fish. I really like the white tails a lot, dont see them to often. The tomini and two spot are also nice. Btw, your tank is fine for a zebrasoma, especially if you start with a 2-3" specimen. The 2 zebrasoma's I liked were these two. The Sailfin Tang, and the Scopas Tang. But their max size 15" and 12" - so that's why I figured they'd be too big for my tank? If that takes 10 years to achieve, then I'd love to start with a small one. Probably a Sailfin based on looks? And if max size doesn't matter, why couldn't I start with small tangs from other families? Like a Blue Tang for example? Edited February 10, 2012 by Ryan S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trockafella February 10, 2012 Share February 10, 2012 They really dont grow that fast. You could easily house one for years. Just start with a smaller one. The Desjardini sailfins are awesome, ive always wanted one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainRon February 10, 2012 Share February 10, 2012 If you like the regular sailfin, take a look at the Desjardini. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan S February 10, 2012 Author Share February 10, 2012 The Desjardini Tang is beautiful. Ok we have the first 2 fish on the list! Kole Yellow Eye Tang and Desjardini Tang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trockafella February 10, 2012 Share February 10, 2012 I like white cheeks as well, they only list at 8"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan S February 10, 2012 Author Share February 10, 2012 I like white cheeks as well, they only list at 8"... But now we're into another family (Acanthuridae). White cheeks are with the blue tangs, naso, powders, etc. Can I get 1 from that family too, or should I stick with the zebrasoma and bristletooth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trockafella February 10, 2012 Share February 10, 2012 You could most keep one of each. I think there one of the smallest from that family. Steve's tank isnt much bigger than yours and he has a bunch of tangs in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novi February 10, 2012 Share February 10, 2012 You gotta go with a Powder Blue Ryan! Gorgeous!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan S February 10, 2012 Author Share February 10, 2012 (edited) You gotta go with a Powder Blue Ryan! Gorgeous!!! Honestly, one of my favorite fish right there. It says on their website though: "It is extremely aggressive towards other Tangs or Surgeonfish, especially those similar in form and color, and should be the only one in the tank except in very large systems" If I have 1 tang from 3 different families, Bristletooth, Zebrasoma, and Acanthuridae, would the PBT not be aggressive towards the other 2 tangs? Edited February 10, 2012 by Ryan S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trockafella February 10, 2012 Share February 10, 2012 Now your pushing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trockafella February 10, 2012 Share February 10, 2012 With your minimalist rock work you might be more prone to aggressiveness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amos February 10, 2012 Share February 10, 2012 Honestly, one of my favorite fish right there. It says on their website though: "It is extremely aggressive towards other Tangs or Surgeonfish, especially those similar in form and color, and should be the only one in the tank except in very large systems" If I have 1 tang from 3 different families, Bristletooth, Zebrasoma, and Acanthuridae, would the PBT not be aggressive towards the other 2 tangs? Fish selection is very personal but one thing I've learned over the years is get the fish you really want first and then build the right community around him. Nothing more frustrating then getting fish you really didn't care about as much and preventing you from something you really wanted. You can build a great community around a PBT as a centerpiece fish. Also considering what order they need to be put in. I wish I knew/had done that when I first started my tank. Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan S February 11, 2012 Author Share February 11, 2012 (edited) Ok. I fixed the overflow up in the DT to make it silent (raised it); and I added 1" 1/2" tubing to the legs of the CS1 skimmer which drastically reduced the noise it produced. The only noise in the tank now is from the pipe in the sump where the water enters the sump from the overflow. See the far right side in this photo: It sounds like it's loud due to too much flow coming out of the 1" pipe. (The overflow does start at 1.5" in the DT, but is reduced to 1" at the bulkhead). How can I quiet this? 1) I could cut this final vertical pipe that enters the filter sock shorter? 2) Or I could drill a bunch of 1/4" holes in the current 1" pipe? 3) I could use the ball valve before the overflow enters the sump and close it a little bit? 4) I could cut off the 1" pvc pipe entering the sum, and put a 1" to 1.5" coupler and a 1.5" pipe instead? Edited February 11, 2012 by Ryan S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan S February 12, 2012 Author Share February 12, 2012 Radions mounted and running! Pic 1. $5 worth of supplies from Home Depot: Pic 2: Cardboard cutout for marking the canopy where to install hooks: Pic 3: Mark the location of radions in the canopy: Pic 4: Install them: Pic 5: What the hooks look like: Pic 6: Radions hanging vertically. Shows snug/strong fit: Pic 7: Close up in canopy: Pic 8: Tank and canopy shot: Pic 9: Screen installed on canopy to keep jumpers in: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan S February 12, 2012 Author Share February 12, 2012 First FTS. 5 days into cycle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan S February 12, 2012 Author Share February 12, 2012 It sounds like it's loud due to too much flow coming out of the 1" pipe. (The overflow does start at 1.5" in the DT, but is reduced to 1" at the bulkhead). How can I quiet this? 1) I could cut this final vertical pipe that enters the filter sock shorter? 2) Or I could drill a bunch of 1/4" holes in the current 1" pipe? 3) I could use the ball valve before the overflow enters the sump and close it a little bit? 4) I could cut off the 1" pvc pipe entering the sum, and put a 1" to 1.5" coupler and a 1.5" pipe instead? Ok, I tried 2) and it made the pipe worse. It's like loud air bubbles are being forced out of the drain and they're quite loud. Unless someone chimes in beforehand, my next attempt to fix this problem is going to be 4). I'll cut off the 1" pipe, add a 1:1.5" coupler, and then put about 8" of 1.5" at the end. Maybe they will help??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zygote2k February 12, 2012 Share February 12, 2012 dial down the output of the return pump- maybe the overflow box can't handle the full power of the return pump? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan S February 12, 2012 Author Share February 12, 2012 dial down the output of the return pump- maybe the overflow box can't handle the full power of the return pump? I just shot you an email too. What about what this guy did? http://www.thereeftank.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1957589&postcount=3 I wouldn't be able to use my hang on filter sock holder and filter socks anymore though. But if it's quiet, it would probably be worth it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zygote2k February 12, 2012 Share February 12, 2012 try it and see. socks are for feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F&Fmgr February 12, 2012 Share February 12, 2012 I just shot you an email too. What about what this guy did? http://www.thereeftank.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1957589&postcount=3 I wouldn't be able to use my hang on filter sock holder and filter socks anymore though. But if it's quiet, it would probably be worth it? tHAT WILL HELP, but i would consider redoing your drain from the tank, to allow air to dissipate before being suck down. IME the bubbles coming out of your drain line will result in alot of salt creep. Sean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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