tpallas April 20, 2021 Share April 20, 2021 Copying this from my build thread. Tank is automated so there is pretty stable salinity/ph/alk/ca/mag/temp. The non-affected corals look very happy. It's been a bad couple of days. We had one trachy that was looking ill, I had originally thought from bleaching. Now we have lost that trachy, one additional one on the way out, and the final two (rainbow and green) showing signs. They tighten up, gape at the mouth for several days, and then start to come apart. Also spread to the torches to varying degrees (lost on this AM, others half closed), the gonis are closed up, and a plate. Looking at all of the numbers, and how happy the SPS and zoas look, I think it's a bacterial infection. Alk has been really stable hovering around 9. It's only LPS, and some LPS at that. In fact it's going for the NICEST LPS! It's incredibly frustrating. I did a Coral RX dip yesterday, a 1:1 hydrogen peroxide/saltwater dip today, iodine is on its way and should be here tomorrow. Highly worried about losing this prize trachy, everything has gone totally downhill in a matter of 48 hours. Any other ideas or thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpallas April 20, 2021 Author Share April 20, 2021 Pink trachy falling apart. This is after several days of shrinking up with gaping mouth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpallas April 20, 2021 Author Share April 20, 2021 Rainbow during and after peroxide dip. Been closed up mouth gaping for about a day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpallas April 20, 2021 Author Share April 20, 2021 Ditto for green trachy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WheresTheReef April 20, 2021 Share April 20, 2021 Maybe @ReefdUp can help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YHSublime April 20, 2021 Share April 20, 2021 While you're pointing to a bacterial infection, do you have enough nutrients in the tank? Any detectible nitrates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokythemattman@gmail.com April 20, 2021 Share April 20, 2021 For what its worth I am going through something right now only with SPS that I suspect is bacterial. I am about to send a water sample out to get some bacterial analysis. I watched some SPS colonies that were huge and established just wither away out of no where over a week or so portion. But over the past few months it has been only a couple SPS colonies at a time affected. I would cross off nutrients as a problem source for you. LPS are always one of the 1st the first thing for me to get mad when my nutrients drop to low. Especially the bigger fleshy ones. They always hungry for whatever they can get. I'd crosd nutrients off the list and then do an ICP test and or a test for bacteria. A good bit of us recently with unexplained losses and people suspecting bacterial infections... is strange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YHSublime April 20, 2021 Share April 20, 2021 2 hours ago, smokythemattman@gmail.com said: I would cross off nutrients as a problem source for you. LPS are always one of the 1st the first thing for me to get mad when my nutrients drop to low. Especially the bigger fleshy ones. This, that's my theory above as well. When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not unicorns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJKK April 20, 2021 Share April 20, 2021 I had a bout with bacteria issue at the end of February with torches BJD and also non-BJD related bail outs after introducing some wild torches into the tank. I even reached out to Reefdup to see if she would take in some of my prize torches as a hospital service. For various logistical and regulations reasons which I totally understood, she is not able to perform this service. If you have ruled out the suggestions above regarding nutrients and stability and still thinks some sort of bacteria infection is in play, I will share that CIPRO treatment did help me. I had to do the 3 dose regiment twice(back to back weeks after the massive water change after the 3 dose treatment). It did stopped my otherwise unexplained torch losses. Here is the link on the article and the dosage: https://www.reef2reef.com/ams/experimenting-with-in-tank-antibiotic-treatments-for-brown-jelly-disease.791/ I know Telegram(another WAMAS member) has a video documenting his CIPRO and other actions when he had bacteria issues as well: Good luck. Let me know if you have any follow-up questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger April 20, 2021 Share April 20, 2021 R2R AQUABIOMICS...........Test is under a 100.00 bucks. This researcher is worth a follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger April 20, 2021 Share April 20, 2021 emyers[aquabiomic]uses ciprofloxacin at 0.125mg/liter 3 separate doses 3 days apart. You can get this stuff without a script if you look around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpallas April 21, 2021 Author Share April 21, 2021 5 hours ago, YHSublime said: This, that's my theory above as well. When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not unicorns. Doubtful, we direct feed regularly and dose aminos, but will double check the #s. Dipped 1x 1:1 hydrogen peroxide to water (1 min) and 10 mins in lugol solution (40 drops per gallon). Should I dip the lugols daily? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanM April 21, 2021 Share April 21, 2021 sorry you're having this issue, and I really hope it doesn't do in that rainbow trachy! I don't see how it could be a nutrient problem if you're direct feeding the trachy unless the low water nutrient level is causing dinos or something to bloom, but those would kill your inverts and SPS too. The cipro idea is interesting. This is getting off topic, but I don't really understand how it would work to dose in a full tank. I've recently been on a few rounds of that and levaquin myself over the past few months and one of the things you have to avoid is calcium and magnesium. The calcium binds to it and prevents it from working somehow. I couldn't take it anytime near eating dairy or taking any multivitamins that included calcium or magnesium. Since reef tank water is full of both I'd think it would deactivate the cipro. I'm not a biologist or a chemist, so maybe it's more of a metabolic thing where it just causes your body to flush it out rather than preventing it from killing bacteria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynn.reef.nerd April 21, 2021 Share April 21, 2021 In high concentration of cipro, it is a controlled substances that's why most of the time you will see them requiring a prescription. I get the OTC one from chewy https://www.chewy.com/fish-aid-antibiotics-ciprofloxacin/dp/185215. I used this mostly to treat mushroom with good success but have never tried it on LPS or SPS before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanM April 21, 2021 Share April 21, 2021 There ya go. 500mg is basically a full adult human dose, so I'm surprised that's available without a prescription for fish, but I guess it's because it isn't as dangerous as something like interceptor which they control more carefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynn.reef.nerd April 21, 2021 Share April 21, 2021 As a clarification, I do not dose my tank with cipro although I know some that has. I use it more of a dip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpallas April 22, 2021 Author Share April 22, 2021 Phos .14. SPS look very happy. Zoas unaffected. Corals affected are all trachys (2 dead), 1 fungia, 4 torches (2 dead, 2 recovering), 1 frog spawn. Duncan, lobo and scolys unaffected. Gonis afffected but recovering. Did a doxycycline dip yesterday on the trachys, I hope to you god I can save this rainbow trachy but the trachys are getting hit the hardest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therootcause April 23, 2021 Share April 23, 2021 How are things looking today after the H2O2 dips?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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