Grinder0909 February 11, 2013 Share February 11, 2013 I need some help, I have never run into ich before luckily, but I have only had my 55 reef tank up for a year. I do see what looks like some discoloration on my copperband butterfly's tail fin. If someone could help me out I would really appreciate it. I don't want it spreading to my other fish. I just got the copperband a few days ago, he was eating at the LFS so I took him in good hope that he would eat in my tank. He has been picking off the rocks but hasn't eaten any mysis, kril, brine or pellets yet so I'm still trying. But I really don't know how to identify it, and want to take preemptive action. Thanks, and check out the pics I hope it helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newtoreef February 11, 2013 Share February 11, 2013 watch for another day if the white spots increases I would separate him before its too late.. did you attend the meeting yesterday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grinder0909 February 11, 2013 Author Share February 11, 2013 thanks will do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Weaver February 11, 2013 Share February 11, 2013 (edited) It could be the start of Lymphocystis, a virus copperbands commonly get. With a good, stress free few weeks to a month the cysts will drop off and most likely never come back. Stress-free is the key. Info http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/fa181 Edited February 11, 2013 by Marc Weaver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L8 2 RISE February 11, 2013 Share February 11, 2013 I agree with the lympho diagnosis. It often appears on newly aquired copper bamds because they are stressed. If he is eating well and in a good environment they will go away relatively quickly on their own. You can also try garlic to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coral Hind February 11, 2013 Share February 11, 2013 Is it breathing faster then normal. If so it is probably ich. Just looking at the photo it looks like ich to me. Did you QT the fish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel not fish February 11, 2013 Share February 11, 2013 Get a bottle of ick atack from gordon lab at petco. Its reef safe and works well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkiboy February 11, 2013 Share February 11, 2013 (edited) looks like ich to me too. i would get it out and into a hospital tank ASAP and begin treatment accordingly. if you're nearby and need some meds, let me know as i just stocked my qt/hospital tank medicine cabinet a few weeks ago. good luck, sir. Edited February 11, 2013 by monkiboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treesprite February 11, 2013 Share February 11, 2013 I had fish with lymphocystis at various times, so I'm fairly confident that I know what it looks like and it does not look like the numerous tiny spots spread out like this copperband has. I can't tell from the pics if the area on the edge of the tail fin is a small group of tiny dots, or one large thing. If it's one large thing, it may be lympho and the fish may have 2 different infections, but those tiny dots look like ich to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zygote2k February 11, 2013 Share February 11, 2013 what was it eating at the LFS? was it actually eating or was it sucking up the food and then spitting it back out? Feed it whatever it was eating at the LFS. 50/50 chance of these fish living in captivity. looks like ick. no biggie if it is healthy and eating. leave it alone and observe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Lazar February 11, 2013 Share February 11, 2013 Fish that won't eat have a 100% mortality rate. Try soaking mysis shrimp in a garlic extract like Kent's. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surf&turf February 11, 2013 Share February 11, 2013 Try some live black worms, mine loves them, also eats Jans food out of my hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ridetheducati February 11, 2013 Share February 11, 2013 I agree with the consensus above. The tank and fish require attention. See my build thread for quarantine procedures. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkey18 February 11, 2013 Share February 11, 2013 Looks like ick. Needs treatment ASAP. Also needs to eat. Try to get live brine shrimp or live blackworms to get him started eating. No chance of fighting off disease if he isn't eating. Not sure where you are located but Pristine Aquariums in Alexandria usually has live blackworms and brine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grinder0909 February 11, 2013 Author Share February 11, 2013 So my take from all these responses, which I really appreciate, is that he has ich and if I can get him to eat he should be fine. I dont have a qt tank, and wont have one till my next paycheck. Hes not eatin except what he finds on the rocks, soakin mysis shrimp in garlic is a good option? What about buyin an ich treatment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coral Hind February 11, 2013 Share February 11, 2013 If he has ich then it is now in your tank or was already in your tank. Watch the other fish to make sure they don't get an out break of it. Keep everyone happy, well fed, and stress free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surf&turf February 11, 2013 Share February 11, 2013 So my take from all these responses, which I really appreciate, is that he has ich and if I can get him to eat he should be fine. I dont have a qt tank, and wont have one till my next paycheck. Hes not eatin except what he finds on the rocks, soakin mysis shrimp in garlic is a good option? What about buyin an ich treatment? The reef safe ich treatments don't work, as Coral Hind said, its already in your tank, so just try to get it eating to help fight off the infestation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel not fish February 11, 2013 Share February 11, 2013 ick attack works, do not delay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countryboy February 12, 2013 Share February 12, 2013 I have to say ick attack worked on my blue hippo's but I doubled the dosage on the bottle as the guy who told me about it said it didn't do much at the recommended dosage, or they just got over it themselves. I don't know for 100% sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkey18 February 12, 2013 Share February 12, 2013 The most important thing is to get him eating. If you don't, he has no chance. You need to get some live food tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zygote2k February 13, 2013 Share February 13, 2013 yet another fish that does poorly in captivity due to lack of eating. looks pretty but has a very specialized diet. if you bought it for aiptasia control, there are much better b-fly choices like a Kleins or even a Tassled Filefish. Peppermint shrimps are better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve175 February 14, 2013 Share February 14, 2013 I agree: looks like Ich. I would not treat that, but instead focus on getting him to eat. You will find local live brine which is irritable. Mysis is better nutrition (even more irresistable and can be ordered via live aquaria from Florida [Any local vendors with a source?]) I have had fish develop Ich over the years and with good nutrition and low stress, it will pass. IMO, in-tank treatment is vodoo as, if the fish lives, it will recover from the acute infectious phase regardless (to those research types out there, the lack of a control arm makes the [potentially harmful] placebo seem effective as our wonderful speaker pointed out). "How did 1500G of saltwater cost THAT much?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coral Hind February 14, 2013 Share February 14, 2013 yet another fish that does poorly in captivity due to lack of eating. looks pretty but has a very specialized diet. if you bought it for aiptasia control, there are much better b-fly choices like a Kleins or even a Tassled Filefish. Peppermint shrimps are better. I agree, to me they are not even worth bringing into the hobby, dismal survival rates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zygote2k February 14, 2013 Share February 14, 2013 (edited) take it back to the LFS. they shouldn't be selling fish that aren't eating and they shouldn't be selling expert level fish to a beginner. Edited February 14, 2013 by zygote2k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incredible Corals February 14, 2013 Share February 14, 2013 I agree: looks like Ich. I would not treat that, but instead focus on getting him to eat. You will find local live brine which is irritable. Mysis is better nutrition (even more irresistable and can be ordered via live aquaria from Florida [Any local vendors with a source?]) I have had fish develop Ich over the years and with good nutrition and low stress, it will pass. IMO, in-tank treatment is vodoo as, if the fish lives, it will recover from the acute infectious phase regardless (to those research types out there, the lack of a control arm makes the [potentially harmful] placebo seem effective as our wonderful speaker pointed out). "How did 1500G of saltwater cost THAT much?" +1 Perfectly put. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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