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steveoutlaw

steveoutlaw

Has anyone tried this on Corals?  For the same price you get a tube about 3 times the Superglue Gel.  It says it's solvent free and no VOCs.

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lnevo

lnevo

I just bought some at the supermarket. Check the ingredients. If it's Cyanoacrylate based then you should be good.

Coral Hind

Coral Hind

I would worry that the hardening time is too slow. You need something that sets up faster to secure the frag in time to put it back in the water.

steveoutlaw

steveoutlaw

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I would worry that the hardening time is too slow. You need something that sets up faster to secure the frag in time to put it back in the water.

Dave - What makes you think it won't harden as fast as Superglue?

 

breathe it in and tell us the effects 8)

Way ahead of you Rob!!

Coral Hind

Coral Hind

Dave - What makes you think it won't harden as fast as Superglue?

I read somewhere online that it took a while to set-up and never really hardened but always stayed kind of flexable. I would just give it a try on a frag plug with a piece of dead coral rubble. Try to glue it and then soak in a bowl of water to see what happens. I doubt the ingredients will be an issue with the tank, just don't know if the dry time is as good as super glue.

steveoutlaw

steveoutlaw

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Just go to the $1 store in Manassas by shoppers, 1 buck gets you a packet of 3.

I haven't been able to find the Gel stuff at the $1 store, but thanks for the tip.

 

I read somewhere online that it took a while to set-up and never really hardened but always stayed kind of flexable. I would just give it a try on a frag plug with a piece of dead coral rubble. Try to glue it and then soak in a bowl of water to see what happens. I doubt the ingredients will be an issue with the tank, just don't know if the dry time is as good as super glue.

Thanks Dave, I'll give it a shot.

Kevin Garrison

Kevin Garrison

Actually  I prefer the loctite gel over the superglue gel, locktite sets a little faster once it hits the water and holds better.  I have had superglue gel let go a day or two later.  Loctite comes in a larger bottle (4g) than the little superglue tubes from the $1 store.

Coral Hind

Coral Hind

Since I am sitting in the cafeteria at NLM using their wi-fi I figured I'd look this up.

 

Info on (3-aminopropyl)triethoxysilane: http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/a?dbs+hsdb:@term+@DOCNO+5767

 

However, such materials are likely to cause toxicity in aquatic species due to physical effects (encapsulation, blockage of gills). The APTES 96-hr LC50 is > 934 mg/L for freshwater fish (Brachydanio rerio). The 48-hr EC50 for APTES is = 331 mg/L for the water flea (Daphnia magna). The 72-hr EbC50 for freshwater green algae (Scenedesmus subspicatus) is 603 mg/L.

 

There seems to be a risk but I doubt you will get those high concentration levels in your tank unless you are doing some large amounts of fragging. That's like 7 teaspoons of glue per gallon. 

 

 

Here is the sheet for cyanoacrylate ( super glue): http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/f?./temp/~odkrum:1

 

This is why super glue or cyanoacrylate is so good:

 

 

Environmental Bioconcentration :
Methyl 2-cyanoacrylate polymerizes rapidly on contact with moisture(1,2,3). Therefore, bioconcentration in aquatic organisms is not a relevant environmental process for this substance(SRC).

Der ABT

Der ABT

+1 on the loktite,

my favorite is the BSI IC gel that stuff is amazing but expensive for the tube. i think its 7 or 8 bucks for an 8oz tube. ...it sets up under water beautifully, hardens quickly, could actually hold a coral for 30-45 seconds and it would be solid enough to put in the tank, just very good stuff. i know you can order boxes of it that would probably make it cheaper but never really looked into it.

 

Carla put together a group buy for some gel glue not too long ago, that glue was rediculously cheap and for the price hard to argue with...not my favorite gel but works well enough, just takes alittle longer to set up.

sachabballi reef

sachabballi reef

+1 on the loktite,

my favorite is the BSI IC gel that stuff is amazing but expensive for the tube. i think its 7 or 8 bucks for an 8oz tube. ...it sets up under water beautifully, hardens quickly, could actually hold a coral for 30-45 seconds and it would be solid enough to put in the tank, just very good stuff. i know you can order boxes of it that would probably make it cheaper but never really looked into it.

 

Carla put together a group buy for some gel glue not too long ago, that glue was rediculously cheap and for the price hard to argue with...not my favorite gel but works well enough, just takes alittle longer to set up.

I'm right there with you on both accounts Evan

 

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Origami Neptune Reefer

Origami

I have no experience with this product, Steve. Here's the MSDS from Elmer's, though, if you haven't looked at it already. Among other things, it does have a slight vinegar odor when curing and an organic-cartridge respirator is recommended if chronically exposed to it (in an industrial setting maybe?). It's also a silica-type of product. In some ways, it sounds like it could be likened to a silicone sealant-like product. How long does it say it takes to cure?

Coral Hind

Coral Hind

Maybe it's time to do another group buy on glue. We should have done it before frag fest.

 

since we are on the glue subject.  This was the only thing they had left in stock at my Walmart so I thought I'd check it out...  anyone use it?

Gorilla Glue Gel

http://www.gorillatough.com/index.php?page=super-glue-gel

 

I have used the "Super Gel" and it works. The other Gorilla products, I wouldn't try. The "Super Gel" is basically the same as a Super Glue or other reef gel since the MSDS says it is composed of 86-100% cyanoacrylate.

Origami Neptune Reefer

Origami

According to Michael's website. CURE RATE & DRYING TIME:  Glued objects will be ready to use in 24 hours; maximum strength in 3 days.

http://www.michaels.com/Elmer's-Craft-Bond-Ultra-Stix-All/gc0215,default,pd.html

 

I've read at other sites it set's in 10 -15 minutes but cures in 24 hours. I prefer cyanoacrylate that sets in about 1 minute.

It really does sound like it's some kind of silicone sealant re-purposed to be an adhesive. Just an opinion.

 

I prefer cyanacrylate, too. From my perspective, I only need enough to hold the coral in place until encrusting takes over. There's the added advantage of being able to readily free the frag until then, just in case you want to move it.

kjamaya

kjamaya

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Check out the Dollar Store at Bull Run Plaza off of Sudley. They always have it on stock.

I haven't been able to find the Gel stuff at the $1 store, but thanks for the tip.

 

 

Thanks Dave, I'll give it a shot.

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sachabballi reef

sachabballi reef

Looks like this will only be good for sniffing!!

We used to use Elmer's spread out on our hands to dry and then peel it off in one sheet . Kids love that trick...lol

 

I know as soon as you finish reading this you're off to do it...

 

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steveoutlaw

steveoutlaw

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We used to use Elmer's spread out on our hands to dry and then peel it off in one sheet . Kids love that trick...lol

 

I know as soon as you finish reading this you're off to do it...

 

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Already have a full face mask!!

sachabballi reef

sachabballi reef

Already have a full face mask!!

pics or it didn't happen LOL

 

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