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Here is an interesting video showing EJ non-shatterability:

You make many good points, as usual Tom. The key word is "reportedly". If true, it is indeed very sad. Unfortunately, many things in this hobby are "reported" which just don't turn out to be true IMO. I'm still waiting to see the money...and it seems like we have been waiting a long time. When will it be long enough? Do we know when the quality control supposedly decreased? It seems like it has been quite a long time to me. Many stealth failures involve relatively new heaters (new enough that if they had bought an EJ instead, it would have certainly have been an eheim model). I would think that enough time has passed if the eheim takeover was, say, 4 or 5 years ago. I don't when they started making stealth heaters, but is it possible most of them were manufactured after the eheim-jager takeover? If so, most people who bought a new stealth would have been buying a new eheim-jager (under the new QC), so one would expect equal numbers of failures if they were equal in quality control. Indeed we hear that kind of thing often. However, not being able to find substantial EJ trouble reports, I wonder how much this kind of statement is based on people buying non-EJ heaters and having problems like above.

For me, a big problem this hobby has is misinformation. Often people in this hobby go by what they heard second or third hand, where there seems to be no strong evidence of truth. I have a suspicion that stealth vs ebo jager heaters is one of these cases. There is some talk that quality dropped at Jager some time ago when it was taken over by eheim. This seems to have lead people to buy stealths. I could never recall a first hand story of a jager failure, but have heard many about stealths, so I thought I would do the following not-very-scientific experiment: Idea: Search WAMAS threads from 2009 for Ebo Jager and Stealth heater problems. This is what I found (I might of missed something, but the results seem pretty clear): STEALTH HEATERS (2009 WAMAS threads): Dec 11: phisigs79 "got a huge shock" LINK Nov 9: DJBoy98 had an embedded post about "got a shock in the water" LINK Nov 9: CHUBAKAH "used to be a Stealth guy but had two go bad the last year" LINK Oct 30: Sikryd "broken stealth stuck on" LINK Oct 6: ttlee858 "There was a malfunction to my heater" LINK Jan 11: sheac12 "Stray current in fish tank, shocked, not a good way" LINK Jan 5: fosterspike "noticed a slight shock in the water" LINK (For anyone that thinks stealths are unbreakable....Kevin Garrison: "Well, I got to find out today that stealth heaters are NOT unbreakable" LINK) EBO JAGER HEATERS (2009 WAMAS threads): I could not find a single thread in which anyone was talking about the failure of an EJ heater, or one breaking/shattering (not saying they aren't there, but I looked and couldn't find any). What I am positive of is there are many more stealth failure stories than EJ. Even if quality control has dropped off at EJ, it seems obvious to me that they are still enormously better than stealths, (which are not unbreakable). I use them in my mantis shrimp tanks, and every single tank I have ever owned for that matter. Of course, every single single stealth will not fail. There will be plenty of people that have used them successfully. But, it seems to me that first-hand stories of their failure greatly outweigh those of EJ.

I think he said he had a pump at the very top continuously pumping from there into the tanks to eliminate air bubble build-up (like the CPR overflow boxes) and set up a current all the way through the pipe

+1 Yep, that is what he says he does, there was a discussion page he posted about it one time.

Expensive controllers and probes wouldn't help in this case. The heater itself is junk. I must of read 10 stories of Stealth failures on WAMAS and RC in the last year. I don't recall a single one regarding an EJ heater. I've always used an Ebo-Jager heater. There are stories if people bashing them very hard on counters and them not breaking (I can't speak for the veracity of those stories). There are at least 10x as many failure stories for stealths than EJ as well. I myself had the same (green) EJ heater for well over 10 years, it always worked perfectly.

Just the latest in a long list of threads I've read about those heaters. Don't know why people use them.

Wow, that is a lot! I am a big believe in this product, and it has also always worked for me, but I use like 1 bottle in a year...I sometimes have to rehydrate it because it has dried up.

Will there be shrimp?

Look at the glass edge-on to look for the green tint.

Nice looking tank. I like the giant overflow. You could keep a mantis in there.

nice!

You said it man. I'm offended by Chip's new avatar.

That will bring up your SG. Use straight unsalted water for just top-off.

We'll just have to agree to disagree Jan!

I suppose that is where different parenting techniques and beliefs come in. To each their own. I could just as likely see the opportunity to explain evolution to a child: Child: Mommy why is that lady holding a beer between her breasts? Mother: She has developed into the next stage of human evolution. Long ago, pre-humans walked on all 4 limbs. Walking upright, and thus freeing up the arms to do other things, was the single largest step in human evolution. This woman has further developed the ability to use her breasts in a way that also frees up her hands to do other things. Wouldn't that be useful for us all?

I had a Turboflotor T5000 twin and an ASM G3 for a long time. Seemed fine. I liked the additional water volume.

What if they were real?

Yeah, we wouldn't want any minor to come here and see a blurry tiny image of a breast. Better they turn on the TV, video game, or comic and see people getting their heads chopped off or dropped in acid.

There's a quote you don't see often...

Weird. I guess the $550 solution above wouldn't work either then, since that is all it is... Right

You cold just buy the power inverter (<$50) and manually plug it in to your (idling) car or spare battery during a power outage. Would only cost ~$50 for the inverter.

+1 I'm a big believer in this kind of thing after I set up the big fuge and did water tests. This is small, but you are getting benefit out of it. If it isn't a problem (clogging hazard), I'd leave it alone...

It looks nice in that room. Isn't that super undersized?

I've had good success twice in 2 different tanks with a very small hippo.