Huly June 10, 2013 June 10, 2013 I am starting this seperate where you can see everything without the discussion on trying to determine what these critters were. On Monday 6/3/13 we noticed our Torch corals were a little sucked in. All water parameters were good so we decided to watch them. On Thursday 6/6/13 we noticed something that looked like algae on the side of the yellow torch but when we touched it, it moved. We were able to grab one with a tweezer (apx 1-1.5 inch long) and they move very fast. Most affected seems to be Yellow Torch Before photos: After lots of research (not much out there on these) we decided to do one dip on Coral RX (do more as needed) and to purchase a Yellow Coral Wrasse. We also dipped other LPS including Aussies and SPS. We used 2 home depot buckets with 2 gallons tank water each. One with small light pupmp for Coral RX dose and one for rinse.
Coral Hind June 10, 2013 June 10, 2013 Great info and pictures. Can you detail the dosage and times or did you just follow the CoralRX directions?
Huly June 10, 2013 Author June 10, 2013 Torches Right After Dip 1 Hour after dip 18 Hours After Dip 24 Hours After (We were worried we would lose the one yellow but it seems one of the Gold torches it recovering slower than the rest)
Huly June 10, 2013 Author June 10, 2013 (edited) Great info and pictures. Can you detail the dosage and times or did you just follow the CoralRX directions? We did followed the dosage on the bottle but doubled it as we dipped rock and all not knowing what might be on it. Example in stead of 1G we used 2 G and doubled the dose of Coral RX per bottle. Edited June 10, 2013 by Huly
netpez June 10, 2013 June 10, 2013 (edited) We did followed the dosage on the bottle but doubled it as we dipped rock and all not knowing what might be on it. Example in stead of 1G we used 2 G and doubled the dose of Coral RX per bottle. I want to say the recommended dosage is 20 ml per gallon, so we did 40 (as we used 2 gallons). We left it in there with the small pump running for about 10 min. and then turned them upside down and swirled them in the mixture and to remove excess dead worms. We then swirled them in the clean 2 gallons of tank water to rinse off excess dip for about a minute and then placed back in the tank. One thing I did notice during this procedure was a buildup of white "junk/tissue" on the torches that I tried to blowoff (most that I could) with a turkey baster. I don't have any pictures of it before I blew it off, but some of the residual white "junk/tissue" you can see on the after pictures.... anyone have any idea what it may be? Edited June 10, 2013 by netpez
sachabballi reef June 10, 2013 June 10, 2013 great job you two!!! Tank looks fantastic as always BTW..... the white stuff could have just been their slime ...when stressed they release it...was it stringy and white?
netpez June 10, 2013 June 10, 2013 (edited) great job you two!!! Tank looks fantastic as always BTW..... the white stuff could have just been their slime ...when stressed they release it...was it stringy and white? Yup... looks like they sneezed white snot all over themselves (large amount too). Was it ok to try to remove some of it? - Big Boy elegance was pissed for a while, but the second I put some food in the tank, he opened to his normal size and started munching - Baby Elegance recovered quickly - Blasto seems to be doing better after the dip too, even though I did not notice anything on him - Yellow acro is puffed back out looking like a bush almost immediately - Blue acro is is a little slower in getting its polyps out, but is recovering - Green torch is recovering nicely - Yellow torch is recovering nicely (surprising since it looked the worst before the dip_ - 2 gold torches still don't look so hot BTW... the yellow coris wrasse we got maybe the most chill fish I have ever seen. During acclimation, dumping him from container to container.... he never freaked out... just went around looking for food. We got scared in the morning, because he completely disappeared, but we found out, that he may be sleeping in the sand. He popped right out during midday and went along his business looking for food. Not sure he really fits in with the psycho's we currently have in our tank. Edited June 10, 2013 by netpez
netpez June 10, 2013 June 10, 2013 BTW.... Does anyone know if there is any type of coral that should not be dipped in coralrx?
sachabballi reef June 10, 2013 June 10, 2013 i use it for everything....I haven't come across anything that didn't survive it...some things like deep waters I dip quickly as IME they have been very sensitive to dipping... yes it was good to remove the snot stuff lol...its what they release when there is a chemical war in your tank and it can harm other corals if it lands on them
netpez June 10, 2013 June 10, 2013 Did you guys scrape the egg sacs off? We are planning on doing several dips over the next several weeks. I keep hearing both ways on the egg scarping. Some folks have told me that the area I have some of the eggs are on is very delicate and that scarping could damage the coral (some are on the main trunk, but sup are at the edge/opening of the coral. Thoughts?
sachabballi reef June 10, 2013 June 10, 2013 personally I would scrape or cut them out...the chances of the coral dying vs recovering leans heavily to recovering.... what if he put super glue on them instead? would that work?
Coral Hind June 10, 2013 June 10, 2013 The eggs are laid on the hard coral skeleton so it can be scraped. You could also coat the eggs with super glue which is what I prefer. The super lgue dues not stick to the coral tissue because of the slime. I would do either one after every dip to speed up the process or reduce the amount of follow up dips needed.
Huly June 10, 2013 Author June 10, 2013 Also we got the Coris Wrasse incase we miss anything as supposedly they will eat them.
sachabballi reef June 10, 2013 June 10, 2013 well even if it doesn't....its a cool fish and will settle in to that bizarre melrose place tank you got going on....
Jan June 10, 2013 June 10, 2013 (edited) ...and you're sure these particular flatworms lay eggs? Have you seen any? Do you know what to look for? Post pictures of the eggs, please. Thank you. Edited June 10, 2013 by Jans Natural Reef Foods
Huly June 10, 2013 Author June 10, 2013 Photo of eggs: http://wamas.org/forums/topic/57947-help-is-this-a-flatworm-or-nudibranch-or-what/?p=498208
GraffitiSpotCorals June 10, 2013 June 10, 2013 We are planning on doing several dips over the next several weeks. I keep hearing both ways on the egg scarping. Some folks have told me that the area I have some of the eggs are on is very delicate and that scarping could damage the coral (some are on the main trunk, but sup are at the edge/opening of the coral. Thoughts? I think at this point you need to do whatever it takes to get the eggs off the coral or glue them like coralhind said. Dipping and not taking care of the eggs each time/week you dip will cause more harm that a simple scraping. Plus it will make the fight twice as long.
Huly June 10, 2013 Author June 10, 2013 Also I sent the photos etc off to Reef Keeping Magazine to see if they have any data on this as I can not find anything from them or other sources.
Huly June 11, 2013 Author June 11, 2013 48 Hours after dip (going to get close ups tonight) Most look really good but the back Gold one
zygote2k June 11, 2013 June 11, 2013 I suggest culturing the next ones that you find to determine their life cycle. If you knew those facts, an effective treatment plan would be much easier to administer. If you decide to go this route, I have plenty of Octospawn that I can donate.
Huly June 12, 2013 Author June 12, 2013 I suggest culturing the next ones that you find to determine their life cycle. If you knew those facts, an effective treatment plan would be much easier to administer. If you decide to go this route, I have plenty of Octospawn that I can donate. Honestly if I did not kill all of mine it would be an interesting study as there is not any scientific data I can find on these. Lots on forums etc and most treat like other pest with Coral Rx etc
Huly June 13, 2013 Author June 13, 2013 Torch update! Still no sign of eggs or worms. 3 of the torches bounced back great but one gold one is pretty bad. Bad Gold one
Huly June 17, 2013 Author June 17, 2013 We did dip two yesterday and looked for eggs, scraping anything we saw. Nothing came off the torches. We did lose one gold one but the others will hopefully be ok! (Photos of Torches are after dip)
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