Sharkey18 November 20, 2012 Share November 20, 2012 Suggestions on treatment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishie November 20, 2012 Share November 20, 2012 (edited) Omg how what happened? How is it acting, swimming eating ? Edited November 20, 2012 by Fishie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omair November 20, 2012 Share November 20, 2012 Ouch! I'm so sorry to hear that. That looks awful! It looks like it get into a fight. Do you have a QT? Anti Bacterial Treatments to help stop infection would be key. Iodine treatment? Melafix? (http://www.apifishcare.com/Products/Product.aspx?ProductID=56) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimlin November 20, 2012 Share November 20, 2012 uronema disease? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan S November 20, 2012 Share November 20, 2012 several of my anthias got that. 100% mortality rate. i thought it was my aggressive yellow tang that did it with the sharp part on his tail. (unsure though, just my guess). good luck... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkey18 November 20, 2012 Author Share November 20, 2012 They are in QT. Have been since I purchased them. It's some sort of disease, probably bacterial. She has a smaller hole on the other side and the male anthias is sick also with what looks like ick /velvet. Purchased a week ago. Seemed ok until yesterday. Still swimming and eating. I added the UV yesterday. Added copper today when I noticed the hole. Looked like a minor infection and then got much worse and ulcerated really fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallreef November 20, 2012 Share November 20, 2012 Copper will be VERY hard on them,,,especially with a scale/body problem... may try some methalene blue or prazipro plus adding selcon To their food... Make sure to keep doing partial water changes every day to keep all #'s down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishie November 20, 2012 Share November 20, 2012 I heard copper will kill anything if it has a wound...so I dont think that wud be good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der ABT November 20, 2012 Share November 20, 2012 i think i have both prazi and metalene blue in arlington, i could meet you over there tomorrow evening if needs be. Sorry to hear about the issues WASH YOUR HANDS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkey18 November 20, 2012 Author Share November 20, 2012 I have prazi, but no meth blue. I added copper because the male looks like he might have ick /velvet and quite honestly, I want to protect the three other females that aren't showing such severe symptoms yet. If this female and the male don't make it, hopefully the other three will. Not sure the male will make it through the night... was thinking of doing a freshwater bath in the am if he's still around... but maybe I'll do it tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishie November 20, 2012 Share November 20, 2012 I have meth blue if u need it...also quantum reefs carries meth blue...close to u too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan November 20, 2012 Share November 20, 2012 I wouldn't use copper on an open wound like that. It's hard. Broad spectrum antibiotic if it's bacterial. I just got the disease and treatment book by Noga. I'll see what it says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coral Hind November 20, 2012 Share November 20, 2012 I agree copper and malacite green could stress the fish. For this type of wound I would use Erythromycin or Tetracycline, not combined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zygote2k November 20, 2012 Share November 20, 2012 (edited) Aquatic Ecosystems catalog has a picture of a baitfish with similar wounds and a type of treatment that heals those types of wounds with 4 dips of the product. I had a jumbo Grey Angel die from those types of ulcers and I suspected that it was Uronema. We treated it with Erythromycin and while the wound started healing, the fishes' condition got worse until it succumbed to whatever caused the infection in the first place. Edited November 20, 2012 by zygote2k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coral Hind November 20, 2012 Share November 20, 2012 I found this thread on Uronema, hopefully this isn't what you have. I'm glad you QT'ed these guys and didn't add them to the DT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan November 20, 2012 Share November 20, 2012 (edited) Everything I've read and some pics I've seen suggest bacterial infections cause ulcerative lesions like the one on your fish. Some fungal, but primarily bacterial. Treatment recommendation is antibiotic (this is the trick...which one?) as well as search for and reduce environmental stress. Very good read, as usual, from Bob Fenner http://www.wetwebmed...mycobactera.htm Also read about.com - http://saltaquarium....antibiotics.htm Erythromycin and Furan II - I don't know if "marine" fish get furunculosis. The pics in Nogas book look like what your fish had, but he made reference to gold fish and trout. Edited November 20, 2012 by Jan's Reef Foods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkey18 November 20, 2012 Author Share November 20, 2012 Both fish survived the night and swimming and eating. The male looks like he has something completely different from the female. He looks like he has ick or velvet which is why I am treating with copper. I really do not want to lose him. I know copper will be hard on the female with open wounds but there are 5 lyretails that I am trying to save, not just one so I am treating what is best for everyone. I gave the male a 5 min freshwater bath last night and he is actually doing a but better today. Not breathing as heavy and swimming well. I also added Furan 2 to battle against bacterial infections. Hoping for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunWyrm November 20, 2012 Share November 20, 2012 You might want to give her her own little hospital setup out of the copper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainRon November 20, 2012 Share November 20, 2012 Laura, if you need another tank to borrow, there's a 14 gallon one in my carport in a box. You're welcome to stop by and grab it. Just have to move all the bags of leaves lol Or you can stop by tonight too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunWyrm November 20, 2012 Share November 20, 2012 I know I'm a little far, but I've got some makeshift hospital tanks as well you're welcome to borrow (plastic storage bins and extra little heaters and filters). Even a spare bucket would work for a little anthias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkey18 November 20, 2012 Author Share November 20, 2012 I do have enough equipment to set up a separate hospital tank for her... d**m these fish..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkey18 November 20, 2012 Author Share November 20, 2012 Any suggestions on lyretail anthias food? They are eating, but not great. To date I have offered: Live brine Live blackworms shredded raw shrimp shredded raw scallop frozen mysis jans carnivore blend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunWyrm November 20, 2012 Share November 20, 2012 d**m these fish..... I know that feels. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan S November 20, 2012 Share November 20, 2012 my anthias love a frozen food called nutramar ova. vince at quantum sells it. they also like frozen mysis and frozen brine shrimp. (both sold at petco in bailey's crossroads). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coral Hind November 20, 2012 Share November 20, 2012 Copper treatment tends to take the fish's appetite away. They seem to like smaller sized food until they become acclimated to the larger stuff. Try to feed live Tiger Pods or frozen Cyclop-eeze or Cyclops. They like small portions but several times a day as they have a fast metabolism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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