Sharkey18 July 13, 2012 July 13, 2012 It was just an idea. I'll be honest, you're tank looked great when I saw it and I would never had guessed how many fish were in there, so you have done a great job stocking compatible fish. I hope everyone is getting better. I am at a seminar all weekend but could help in the evenings or on Monday if you need it.
treesprite July 13, 2012 July 13, 2012 "How many fish" doesn't mean so much when talking about a large tank being overcrowded, because a person could have 100 little fish or 3 big fish and have the same bioload.
Jan July 13, 2012 Author July 13, 2012 Exactly, Forrest . That's why checking parameters is important....They are very telling "How many fish" doesn't mean so much when talking about a large tank being overcrowded, because a person could have 100 little fish or 3 big fish and have the same bioload.
trockafella July 13, 2012 July 13, 2012 "How many fish" doesn't mean so much when talking about a large tank being overcrowded, because a person could have 100 little fish or 3 big fish and have the same bioload. Bioload stress and too crowded stress are different. 3 big fish only need 3 places to sleep, 100 fish need a 100 places to sleep. Apples and oranges.
Jan July 13, 2012 Author July 13, 2012 I didn't see any black spots on any of the fish today. But the yellow eye kole tang is so skinny his spine is sticking out. He has a ball in his abdomen. He wobbles when he swims. He's so skinny his lips look huge. He's still eating but it doesn't appear to be giving him what he needs. The female Genicanthus melanoopilos looks like someone picked at her scales in various places. She keeps trying to shake it off, whatever it is. These two definately need to come out and get dipped in FW. I can't find methylene blue anywhere locally. I still have a female G bellus and female Watanabei in a hospital tank in hypo with copper and formalin for ich. they have another 4 weeks to go. they're eating great and look very healthy. I received a very large replacement male Genicanthus watanbei and a replacement male Genicanthus melanospilos which are in another QT for observation. It appears that the GM has lymphosis. I've seen several fish from different places with it lately. Once they have it, they have. It's a virus. I am convinced it's the economy. I do not believe that collectors and shippers are taking the same precautions as they used to when they catch fish. All these fish came from different places. They came at different times with different issues.
surf&turf July 13, 2012 July 13, 2012 (edited) Jan, do you have any sand left in your system, I remember at one time you were taking it out. My Kole eats sand on a regular basis, so much so, it looks like sand when he poops. I'm not sure if it aids in digestion or not, but could explain why yours is getting so thin. Being among the smallest and least active of the surgeonfish, one would think a smaller aquarium would suit theCtenochaetus. However because they need plenty of naturally growing food and accumulated detritus, cluttering a small tank with live rock to help provide for their diet reduces their necessary swimming space while under stocking live rock makes the tank too sterile and reduces their necessary food source. For long term success in keeping these fish, providing for their dietary needs is of primary importance. To meet their dietary needs they will need a large aquarium with lots of live rock. They will benefit even more with the inclusion of live sand. The live rock and live sand along with surfaces of the aquarium glass will provide a lot of areas for good algae growth and detritus build up to help accommodate this constant feeder. <br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> Edited July 14, 2012 by surf&turf
treesprite July 14, 2012 July 14, 2012 Lymphocystis usually goes away on its own, and when it doesn't, it's not generally a life-threatening thing. I had fish in the past with it at least a couple of times, and the white stuff always went away after a few weeks in a reduced stress situation.
Jan July 14, 2012 Author July 14, 2012 That's correct, unless it's in their mouth or gills. You can also just scrape it or pull it off. Lymphocystis usually goes away on its own, and when it doesn't, it's not generally a life-threatening thing. I had fish in the past with it at least a couple of times, and the white stuff always went away after a few weeks in a reduced stress situation.
Jan July 14, 2012 Author July 14, 2012 (edited) There's still sand in the system. Not a lot, but enough for my Wrasse to bury itself at night and for my gobies to sift through. Not too much algae in my tank that's why I feed a half sheet of nori everyday along with the nori and spirulina in my food as well as spirulina flakes during one of their 3 feedings a day. He's got a parasite. Jan, do you have any sand left in your system, I remember at one time you were taking it out. My Kole eats sand on a regular basis, so much so, it looks like sand when he poops. I'm not sure if it aids in digestion or not, but could explain why yours is getting so thin. Being among the smallest and least active of the surgeonfish, one would think a smaller aquarium would suit theCtenochaetus. However because they need plenty of naturally growing food and accumulated detritus, cluttering a small tank with live rock to help provide for their diet reduces their necessary swimming space while under stocking live rock makes the tank too sterile and reduces their necessary food source. For long term success in keeping these fish, providing for their dietary needs is of primary importance. To meet their dietary needs they will need a large aquarium with lots of live rock. They will benefit even more with the inclusion of live sand. The live rock and live sand along with surfaces of the aquarium glass will provide a lot of areas for good algae growth and detritus build up to help accommodate this constant feeder. <br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> Edited July 14, 2012 by Jan
surf&turf July 14, 2012 July 14, 2012 There's still sand in the system. Not a lot, but enough for my Wrasse to bury itself at night and for my gobies to sift through. Not too much algae in my tank that's why I feed a half sheet of nori everyday along with the nori and spirulina in my food as well as spirulina flakes during one of their 3 feedings a day. He's got a parasite. ok, glad you figured it out. Hope he recovers!!
zygote2k July 14, 2012 July 14, 2012 22 fish is about 10 too many in a 156. Overcrowding brings out diseases brought out by stress. Look at a prison population- everything runs smoothly until the capacity is reached, then disease, violence, and stress rules. Your fish tank is a prison to these fish and they are showing their problems to you. I seem to remember that you had similar issues with corals some time ago. I believe that issue was overcrowding as well. It seemed like you had one of every known coral and they didn't have space to grow without touching another coral. Time to start a great weeding out process and you'll notice that many of the problems disappear.
Jan July 14, 2012 Author July 14, 2012 (edited) Oh, ok, Rob. Thanks for you opinion. I've never been to prison except to treat sick or beat up prisoners. I have no personal experience in that arena. I don't know what you're talking about with too many corals in my system. I've never had too many corals. I dream of the day.... You need to do more reading. Take a look at some TOTM on various sites. Don't just look at the pictures, you need to read. Read the stock list and about their filtration methods as well as feeding. Cleaners can bring in parasites. Especially trematodes and other parasites. Going to Roozens to see what strikes my fancy. 22 fish is about 10 too many in a 156. Overcrowding brings out diseases brought out by stress. Look at a prison population- everything runs smoothly until the capacity is reached, then disease, violence, and stress rules. Your fish tank is a prison to these fish and they are showing their problems to you. I seem to remember that you had similar issues with corals some time ago. I believe that issue was overcrowding as well. It seemed like you had one of every known coral and they didn't have space to grow without touching another coral. Time to start a great weeding out process and you'll notice that many of the problems disappear. Edited July 14, 2012 by Jan
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