onux20 June 9, 2010 Share June 9, 2010 The only time I see any appreciable PE is after the lights go out. None of my SPS are sporting a 'fro like hunter's. <I am extremely jealous> I changed the Ro/Di filters and increased the T5 cycle. The coral started looking better and are coloring up nicely. I believe them to be reasonably healthy, they are starting to encrust again but still no PE. Params are "normal". I have found red bugs on a couple of frags. I removed and dipped. I agree they could still be the issue. Any other thoughts? Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterDog June 9, 2010 Share June 9, 2010 PE...potential energy? Haha, sorry, still just a little new at the whole acronym thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onux20 June 9, 2010 Author Share June 9, 2010 PE...potential energy? Haha, sorry, still just a little new at the whole acronym thing. polyp extension. Funny tho! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterDog June 9, 2010 Share June 9, 2010 Ohhh ok thanks haha. Do you have any leathers in the tank? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onux20 June 9, 2010 Author Share June 9, 2010 Ohhh ok thanks haha. Do you have any leathers in the tank? nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reefhunter June 9, 2010 Share June 9, 2010 Whenever i had a problem with PE it was a dwarf angelfish. Do you have any small angels? I notice more PE after I run carbon and after a water change. Redbugs only affect some corals. I have had redbugs and amazing PE at the same time, so if you have red bugs, that isn't your problem unless they are in plague proportions. Hope you figure it out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coral Hind June 9, 2010 Share June 9, 2010 List the fish that you have. I would remove your inverts and interceptor the whole tank. After six hours you will have piece of mind that there are no more red bugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reefhunter June 9, 2010 Share June 9, 2010 any thank you for the compliment, I am flattered! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onux20 June 9, 2010 Author Share June 9, 2010 (edited) List the fish that you have. I would remove your inverts and interceptor the whole tank. After six hours you will have piece of mind that there are no more red bugs. Scopas, Blue eye Kole, Flame Angel, Damsels X2, Fire Fish X2, Coris Thinking the same... Edited June 9, 2010 by onux20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coral Hind June 9, 2010 Share June 9, 2010 I put my money on the Flame Angel. You may not have seen it but I bet it has been picking at the corals. Can you move it to another tank or even the sump to see if the PE returns? It will take a few weeks for them to return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trockafella June 9, 2010 Share June 9, 2010 Get rid of the flame angel, had the same problem, I would also do the interceptor treatment as well.. You should be headed down the right path after that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onux20 June 9, 2010 Author Share June 9, 2010 The biggest problem with getting the angel out is he's fast, pretty reclusive, and has a good hidey hole. I know he nips on occassion. If I am watching the tank for 15 min he may nip once. Carry that out across the day and across 8-10 corals, do you think that is still enough to reduce PE? Hmmmm..... Thanks for the advice. Probably gonna start with the interceptor. Any reccommendations on a Vet that understands the request? Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reefhunter June 9, 2010 Share June 9, 2010 It is your flame angel. The red bugs are not as serious a threat as that angel, IMHO. All your corals are being stressed out constantly with the picking which means they aren't as healthy as they can be. The good news is you only have a 120... I had to take EVERYTHING out of my 220 to catch a dwarf angel. It was awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowieReefer84 June 9, 2010 Share June 9, 2010 Why don't you not feed your tank a day or two, and on the third get a decent size net like 6"x6" to go at him with? Might get a couple extra fish in the process, but seems like it might be a worthy idea. I would put the net in the water first, then food, then lift. AND VOLA! Haha. Turn the pumps off so the food is literaly in one place . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der ABT June 9, 2010 Share June 9, 2010 i think 1800 pet meds (online as well) does not require a perscription for interceptor. get a fish trap, i borrowed one from a member and it really worked (especially when the fish where trying to attack a new addition when it was in the bag, it requires A TON of patience but if you get them used to the trap and feed out of it all the time it will usually work the one i used was an acrylic box (look like a file folder with a door on a fishing line for me to pull shut. good luck, i always wanted a flame or a potters but am so afraid of having a nipper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coral Hind June 9, 2010 Share June 9, 2010 Why don't you not feed your tank a day or two, and on the third get a decent size net like 6"x6" to go at him with? Might get a couple extra fish in the process, but seems like it might be a worthy idea. I would put the net in the water first, then food, then lift. AND VOLA! Haha. Turn the pumps off so the food is literaly in one place . . . I doubt that will work. All I have to do is walk up to the tank with a net in my hand and they all run into the rocks. They know and fear the net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reefhunter June 9, 2010 Share June 9, 2010 borrow a 100 gallon stock tank and another tank to hold corals. It will take you 2-3 hours probably to take everything out, rid your take of the fish, and put it all back. The 220 took a whole day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coral Hind June 9, 2010 Share June 9, 2010 I've taken down my 120 to remove fish before and I just used two rubbermaid tubs. I moved the corals to the sump and also to one rubbermaid. Most of the rock went into the other tub. Tearing it down and catching the fish was a piece of cake. Schedule it during a water change and it is a great time to re-aquascape the tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkey18 June 9, 2010 Share June 9, 2010 My money is on the flame angel. I had a coral beauty that nipped incessantly. Once i got him out things got better. I was able to catch mine in three days using a water bottle trap baited with shrimp. Day one the shrimp was hanging out of the bottle, day two I moved the shrimp further into the bottle day three it was all the way in the bottle and when the angel went into the bottle to nibble at the fish, I had him. You'll never net him. Good luck! Laura Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coral Hind June 9, 2010 Share June 9, 2010 Laura, Did you ever do a thread on how you made the bottle trap? I can't remember if it had a trap door or just a string to pull or lift the open end up out of the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onux20 June 10, 2010 Author Share June 10, 2010 Thanks to all for the advice. Since I KNOW I have red bugs in the tank, I am going to start with the interceptor and go from there. I DO NOT want to try and remove the rock. Now moving the inverts... Anyone know of any special requirements to remove spaghetti worms? They have been the coolest hitchers I have found so far. Can I move chaeto and inverts to a holding tank while treating then return to the system when safe? Or can the chaeto house the red bugs? I am hoping to save at least some of my pods. Thanks again WAMAS. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coral Hind June 10, 2010 Share June 10, 2010 If you want to remove items like the chaeto I would keep it in a system without any acros for at least a month to starve out any possible hitchers. Are the worms in the rocks or sand? If sand, just scoop them out. For the rocks, you might want to do them the same as the chaeto, isolate until the red bugs starve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onux20 June 10, 2010 Author Share June 10, 2010 (edited) i think 1800 pet meds (online as well) does not require a perscription for interceptor. According to their webiste they still require a perscription. Can anyone point me to a vet that understands to requirement and will write a script? Ron Edited June 10, 2010 by onux20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocko918 June 10, 2010 Share June 10, 2010 imo, just killing the redbugs is not going to solve your PE. You need to also remove that flame. If you are going to bite the bullet to treat the tank you might as well catch the fish too. Just toss the cheato and get some more from a member. Pods will come back quickly. you can't get interceptor legally without a prescription because it is a controlled substance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coral Hind June 10, 2010 Share June 10, 2010 (edited) Post #7 in this thread tells how and where I got mine from. [/url] http://www.wamas.org...post__p__273353 Edited June 10, 2010 by Coral Hind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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