Chris-

Help clear out whatever bacteria or nasties he has in his water. 15% would give him healthier water day by day without throwing the tank off. If the fins start to clear up by the end of the week, then he knows that he has some water quality issues, or, in the least, whatever was in there is now out. If it does not help or fins get worse, he can grab the fish and go straight to medicating.

I want to build one! Wait, I have nothing to zapp? I want to build one anyways! I wonder if they would work on bubble algae?

I have seen her pictures. I hope she got smart and went in with a pair os small snips, where she could, and sipped them before zapping the stalks. That would take a lot of time if you have to zapp the whole shroom, lol. Maybe it sucks up into a smaller entity like aptaisia?

Coral hind said you had sucsess and I had to backup and re-read. I see "The bryopsis seems to be melting away in the sps tank. We finally got the Mg to 2000ppm and it seems to be dying. The starfish and zoas have started melting too. I wonder if they are affected by high concentrations of Mg? One more week of high Mg and then we'll let it drift down to normal levels. " How did I miss that??? I am behind! Okay, so, your saying that it is gone now?

Actually, I found that to be just as interesting, lol.

No body knows what they use in Kent and EVERYONE is scratching and digging trying to find out what it is. Personally, i would not be suprised if all it was was a few drops of chemiclean or something!? I am scared of the stuff. If it gets into my tank and I have to use Kent

Yea, Lowes is good for that. They have the regular sink/drain section of sweeping 90's and then the "street elbow" too. Not sure how the Lowes by Dulles town center is stocked but so far the one in Chantilly seems to have the most selection I have found.

Yea, but nobody likes those kits. I have never even seen one mentioned. Very few know about them and even fewer, if any, employ them. Honestly, after all the reading I did, before I read about Paul, I never knew they sold Reverse Plenum kits. I saw plenty of regular ones though. Well, zygote was trying to say mt DSB was diff than an undisturbed remote DSB. While I would have agreed with him to a certin extent, I made sure that whatever I put in my tank left my DSB alone. Even my diamond goby can not dig anywhere. All my rock work is on pedestals with stilts, and, he has his own concrete tubular house he sleeps in at night. All he does there is cover and uncover the hole. He may get carried away once a month and think he can dig to china somewhere, but, that is rare and still works for me as he is turning up the sand bed here and there, slooooowly, over time. Yea, my really cool blue damsel got kicked to the curb for digging up sand a while back.

Okay, it was the persons system I thought it was. Yes, I read up on that. To begin with, in his words "Of course in any sand bed, worms, prototzoans, copepods, amphipods, and other creatures also help to maintain a healthy environment by feeding on detritus while gradually turning over the sand and gravel. " So, I am not sure where you saw that the sand bed is to not be disturbed. Probably there somewhere, I just skimmed through it. Second thing is I also personally do not like the fact that they talk about toxins (which I really do not believe) getting trapped in the sand. This is why, before I knew of Paul, I was the only other that thought "hey, why not reverse the water flow?". There are reasons to and not to go with this method also. As said in the formentioned web page "Author Ron Shimek is a proponent of the use of thick beds (25 cm or more) of fine sand without a plenum. He claims that such thick beds do not have a problem with hydrogen sulfide, and they function well for denitrification." Of all I have read, if you only have a 4" sand bed, and critters (just a few) stirring it, it is as good as your going to get. Plenium 1 / DSB 1 Just depends on what you want to go with. I went with a basic DSB and no plenium. Maybe the OP wants to get a little creative and go plenium, nothing wrong with that.

I know anaerobic, so I knew it was the other. I think anoxic may be correct. I tried to quickly look it up on the net. I copied that word right from a line that had "deep sand bed" with it so I never thought of checking the spelling. Not sure if I ran across Jaubert method and the plenum system, but I will double back on it. Just remember, there is more than one method, and, again, I spent a long long time studying DSB's, probably too long. Cant remember all I learned, but, I do remember what was most important. Out of all the ideas abound, a plenum system was not one of them, except for Pauls idea(?), which was the same as mine, just not incorporated into my tank. I wanted to go the DSB route.

You can get Gracilaria to grow? You got one up on me!

Willing to learn is the first big step, welcome to the club.

No, but i have the eyes ears and trials of others to go on. I did not sit and read just one post. I spent hours/weeks reading on this fascinating thing that could not be killed. Unless they are lying to me, I see no other reason not to believe them. Hey, it could be a conspiracy by Kent themselves!? Who knows?

true it is not a "remote" dsb, but, I only have a Diamond Goby that sucks on the top 1/4" of the surface. Nothing else really disturbs the sand bed as I have nothing in there. Also, one of the things they say you want IS something stirring it up. Not all at once and not a lot of critters either. The idea is that if it is not stirred up, theoretically, it can become anorexic, aka toxic. Again, no one has a definite time frame or a definite sand depth for said "x" sand grain. Just because they are working for you and me could mean that we have not hit that toxic anorexic stage yet.

Not behind at all. There are many a case where basic mag treatments like your recipe work. In the case where they DONT work (like your delima), it seems Kent M picks up where the others just do not do it. I have spent hours reading the threads on algae and everyone agrees that there must me something in the Kent they are not stating. No one has an idea, even after contacting the manufacturer and trying to beat it out of them. Yes, I know Kent M costs an arm and a leg, I cant help you with that.

Yes. I am the one with the Starry blenny and the "Samson & Goliath" rock structure, lol. A good 6"-er in some parts.

Dead already? Hmm, thought it would have been copied to the board? Just like others, timing can be an issue. Also, alot of people have family and work all week. On the weekends, we want to come out, but, how little time we have. Maybe, like once was said, we can get someone to tape the shows, split the video and run it on the web at a cheap price. Anthony Calfo is known around the country. We (WAMAS) would not be the only ones interested in his, and others, words. With his permission, and a good donation to a worthy cause, I do not see why speakers would not mind sending the feeds out as a pay per view. Could be win win for everyone.

Well, I guess when you have a mission.........

Whats the diff? Its all connected. A DSB is a DSB no matter where you use it.

I am in 20151 zip area if you need some rubber maid 30-ish gallon oval-ish containers, I have 2. Just let me know. Also have about 5-7 buckets i could scrounge up.

Oragami is right. There is a big thread on it over at RC and the only tuff cases that were sucsessful were the ones using Kent Tech M . Give this a try http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1113109&highlight=bryopsis

Such a shame they have to mate it with another "nooooooooooooooormal" clown. Then again, I do not know if this is one of those freak things, that even mating two of them may or may not produce that type of off-spring.

$2500??? Yeeeeouch! You think they would take $100 for it?

trates should not cause much of a problem, but, seeing (in your sig) you have a small tank, i would do %15 a day until all reading are 0, just to get anything thats in there out. Do that for a week and watch the fishies fins. Are you 0 on ammonia?

It has never been fully explained. They just say that the sand bed absorbs toxic metals and a bunch of stuff, that, when stirred up, bring up nasties. There are/is a lot of theories what it is thats bad but nothing 100% proven, well, conclusively that is. Could be a problem if you go too deep. Then, supposedly, you get into sulpher toxic sand. Not sure how deep that point is with oolitic sugar fine sand. I have a nice 6" deep bed and have no problems "yet", 1 year later. My take on it is that as long as you move it around, stir it up a little here and there, one should be fine. Still, if I were you, I would not go deeper than 4". I went 6" because I like to play on the edge.