I know that I am a new guy here and whatever I say will be perceived as being spoken by some uneducated, uninformed aquarist, by some of the WAMAS leadership and moderators, but let it die out please. If I wanted to join PETA, I would have. I for one am not the guy who can afford to buy a large piece of coral and then find out that it dies when I put it in my tank because I am still learning the hobby. The fragging is evil comment was a joke, and was always intended to be a joke, (I happen to know the person that made the comment). I am sure that I will be suspended or threatened by some "wannabe" that doesn't want others to have an opinion, but sometimes your opinions and overall overbearing, bullying attempts on a bulletin board are not shared by everyone out here. I for one have used the "evil vendors" services and have recieved valuable information, much free stuff, and actually have made a friend or two at his place of business. If you don't want to go there, don't, I am sure that he will survive. This will probably be my one and only post here because I will get thrown out for stating my feelings and as a new guy here, that seems like a death sentence. Some folks need to get a life, I hope that you make it someday.