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I fully agree that the tank isn't large enough for an additional pair of clowns. If you want pairs, there are lots of other potentials.

Yeah- i'm going to give that one a try myself. When I empty the 2 liter bottle collector, it stinks up the whole kitchen/living room area. For a while I was most impressed with the stench (boosted a lot from ozone), but it has long since gotten old. Thanks for the tips.

Fellow Marine Aquarists: MACO (Marine Aquarist Courses Online) is proud to present: http://aquaristcourses.org Acrylic Fabrication (Kalkwasser Reactor) Course (Online registration opens Jan 16th | First online chat: February 20th) This course is designed for the aquarist who wishes to learn the basics of acrylic fabrication. The principles and details taught in this course will allow you to create anything from a sump, to a reactor, to a display tank. The course covers basic safety, equipment, handling, and fabricating with acrylic as a medium. The course project is a kalkwasser (calcium hydroxide or limewater) reactor. For more information, click on the link for schedules and payments on the website. Reef Lighting Course (Online registration opens January 30th) This course is taught by Sanjay Joshi, a professor of engineering and one of the leading hobbyists regarding the intricacies of lighting in a reef setting. This is a repetition of the course he offered in 2003 which was a resounding success and covered the fundamentals of metal halide lighting. Sanjay has recently put up a new website detailing his findings from the metal halide studies at: http://lighting.reefs.org. Stay tuned and check out the site for more details. Woodworking for Beginners (Canopy) Course (Online registration will open in March) This is a basic fabrication course that takes the participant through the basics of woodworking, including safety, equipment, cutting and joining, and basic design. If you are new to woodworking, but always had an interest, this is the course for you! The class culminates in the creation of a canopy/hood for an aquarium or a project of your choosing. Coral Reef Conservation and Restoration Course This course will be taught by the staff of the ReefBall foundation. An organization dedicated to restoring the world’s reefs (with tons of practical field experience) by the use of artificial structures and strong science. The course will offer ReefBall certification at its conclusion to participants and will teach on the topics of restoration and conservation. Stay tuned to the website for more details. What is MACO? MACO is a system by which interested people can become students and learn everything from introductory fabrication or science to the most advanced techniques in aquarium husbandry. We draw upon university professors, professionals, and hobbyists of all levels to instruct courses designed around providing you the most current knowledge in a given topic. Courses in the past have covered the basics of fabrication, lighting measurements and regimes, biology of reef organisms, and much more. The 2005 series opens in February and we have a whole host of courses available. For more information see our website at: http://aquaristcourses.org. Don't wait -- join today! We look forward to seeing you online! Best regards, -- MACO Staff -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reef Keeping IRC Channel, #reefs, AfterX Server Network Access Details -> http://www.reefs.org/access/ Website -> http://www.reefs.org/ Online Magazine -> http://www.advancedaquarist.com/ Online Courses -> http://maco.reefs.org/ --^----------------------------------------------------------------

Well to start with- as you guys like road trips: 1. The wamas winter meeting Feb 26. We have a decent swap at every meeting- a thread will be started in this forum about 3 weeks before hand. I'd roughly estimate that around 100+ frags can be swapped at any given meeting. Dr. Mac might come- depends on how things are with the new store if he can still make it out. 2. Visit to Dr. Mac's- highly highly recommended. 3. Visit to Penn State to see the 'big' tank that Sanjay Joshi helps manage. 4. National Aquarium in Baltimore- Jessica Spino is director of reef tank, and very active with CMAS. Could probably arrange a behind the scenes tour). 5. National Zoo Invertabrate exhibit. Several of our members work/volunteer there... 6 Blane Perun's Farms of the Sea in Pittsburgh. :D

$99 a polyp tng Oh yeah I forgot- it's a yuma and not an acanthastrea (sp?) $25 then. It is a pretty one.

Cool! We will try to keep you informed of happenings in the event you guys want to road trip up here for a frag swap. What part of southern md?

From Jim Hendee Article in Malaysia News Online about UNEP's US $1M funding for environmental assessment, including coral reefs and fisheries: http://www.nst.com.my/Current....xb_html "Lesson number one is that natural systems of coastal protection like mangroves and coral reefs should be maintained." __ Coral-List mailing list Coral-List@coral.aoml.noaa.gov http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/mailman/listinfo/coral-list

From Henry Aruffo Hello Friends: Many of you have written and inquired how you could help with the Tsunami relief efforts in Thailand. Some of you may want to assist in repairing the environmental damages created by the Tsunami; problems that will have to be addressed as part of any long term recovery process - human and environmental. During the past six months, I have been the volunteer director of an environmental organization dedicated to helping the ocean, repairing and rebuilding reefs, and encouraging an environmental spirit and ethic in the local Thai population. Coral Reef Institute hosted an International Symposium on Coral Reef Assessment in November and has sponsored beach clean-ups with local Thai children. Classroom presentations of underwater photography are shown to children in an effort to educate them to the importance of coral reefs and the sea life that inhabits them. Our college credit Certificate Program in Underwater Research begins in September, as the primary goal of Coral Reef Institute is to train environmentally sensitive and proficient marine researchers for all fields of underwater studies. We are not a listed charity, as we are a environmental organization financed by our educational programs and my personal funding, but under the current situation we are requesting financial assistance from anyone interested in helping in the environmental repairs. I have lived in Phuket for fourteen months and I am able to organize local and volunteer workers to assist in environmental work projects that will aid in the healing of Thailand's environmental problems. I am also able to identify reputable local environmental organizations that will need funding to rebuild. A partial list of environmental problems related to the Tsunami is: Over 3,600 fishing boats sunk or wrecked - some still leaking fuel and scattered over the sea floor More than 2000 endangered sea turtles are missing from their breeding pens - now one step closer closer to extinction as they were washed inland Fragile coral reef ecosystems within 100 -1000 meters of shore are covered in palm trees, chairs, remains, logs and fishing trawlers - immediate remedial actions are needed Coral reefs offshore were not damaged severely (although some were) but they need to be professionally assessed and damages documented. While we do not intend to divert any funding from the human tragedy, we realize that there is also an important need to assist the environment. Helping the coral reef ecosystem will, in the future, provide the Thai people with sustainable food sources, restored ecological balance, and the rebuilding of their coastal barrier system. We have an account at Paypal: savetheocean@coralreefinstitute.org and will accept donations at that site or contact me for more details or information at: n2maps@hotmail.com We will list the environmental projects on our web page as we complete them. You will be able to view our assistance at our website: www.coralreefinstitute.org Our site is currently being updated but our basic information is on-line. All funds collected will be acknowledged and documented and any funds received over the cost of our clean-up and remedial actions will be donated to local Thai environmental organizations (turtle breeding projects, reef rebuilding, etc.). There will be no administrative cost involved in any project. Coral Reef Institute will assume these costs and use 100% of funds received for local environmental projects. We will document all costs, expenditures, and donations on our web site as we complete each project. Your financial assistance in helping the environment would be greatly appreciated. Many people have already donated to the human tragedy and cannot afford another donation, if so, perhaps you could forward this message to friends, family, environmentalist, or anyone willing to promote a fund raising event which would assist in this endeavor. Thank you for your generous consideration. Environmentally yours in the care of the sea, (Professor) Henry Aruffo Fellow of the Royal Geographic Society PADI IDC Staff Instructor #480218 Director - Coral Reef Institute Phuket, Thailand TV Interview - Tsunami Disaster - http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=11439 Newspaper story - http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/sptimes....ofessor __ Coral-List mailing list Coral-List@coral.aoml.noaa.gov http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/mailman/listinfo/coral-list

From Coral list- photos of damage done to one of the reef areas hit: Dear All, The following link http://www.talaythai.com/issue/tsunami/20050106.php is the latest report (Chong-Kol-Kard, Surin Island) by Dr. Thorn and his team. There are damage in a few loactions. The final report is not done yet. Cheers, Chai From Todd Barber: Not sure if this is of any real help to folks, but Reef Ball Foundation has gotten reports from Maldives of steel hulled vessels 20 meters deep that were sunk as artificial reefs moving 300 meters, Reef Balls in 20 meters depth (Pallet Ball Size) moving 10 meters and coral heads being tossed around like dice. Our stablility calculations in the area would suggest that currents at 20 meters must have exceeded 5 knots to be able to move an unanchored Reef Ball. We also got a report from Thialand of major damages to nearshore natural reefs (Racha Island Area). Cordially, "Restoring Our World's Oceanic Ecosystems"" Todd Barber Chairman reefball@reefball.com Reef Ball Foundation, Inc. 6916 22nd Street West Bradenton, FL 34207 http://www.artificialreefs.org (All Reef Ball Sites) http://www.reefball.org (Reef Ball Foundation) http://www.reefball.com (Reef Ball Services Division) http://www.reefbeach.com (Reef Balls for Erosion Control) http://www.eternalreefs.com (Memorial Reef Balls) Office: Direct: fax: mobile: 941-752-0169 941-752-0338 941-752-1033 941-720-7549

That's what the previous post was for- sorry I didn't explain it better, and thanks for making it more clear. I'll leave them so others know these aren't from the actual tsunami, but I think they give a chilling glimpse of what it was like. If people want me to delete the reference, I will be happy to do so.

1. looks nice, might have some effect- not counting on much 2. not too bright IMO 3. ebay FWIW, I'm glad I spent $20 on one. now I can really see polyp extension when "lights" out. Fish don't seem bothered at all. Required? I would have to say in no way are they "required". I don't plan to bother putting one on either the anenome tank or the nano.

I have always had the rock in the sand, though I don't put it on the glass and fill sand around it. Anyone who has broken down a tank with rock like this can attest to the life that lives at the interface between rock and sand

More from Coral-list Oh, well, at least the photos hopefully serve to prove the point I was trying to make. Sorry about that! Jim -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Incredible Tsunami Photos Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 09:22:15 -0500 From: Jim Ivey <jivey@marine.usf.edu> To: Jim Hendee <Jim.Hendee@noaa.gov> Hi Jim, You might want to pull those photos. They're part of a scam going around the web. They're not of the tsunami but of the Qian Tang Jiang River in China. http://www.snopes.com/photos/tsunami/tsunami1.asp Take Care, Jim Ivey

]]]bmp for some of you who have too much to count, just give a ball park please.

Below reference not real from tsunami from coral list: Greetings, At http://www.coral.noaa.gov/tsunami/ is a collection of anonymously-taken photos (location unknown) of the Dec 26, 2004 tsunami. I just want to especially point out photo a00.jpg in which you can see how the ocean has receded to such a large extent just before the main wave strikes, and hope that all whoever live on the coasts will know that whenever/if they see something like this again, that the ensuing pictures and events we all know about will most likely be the result, and to leave the area as quickly as possible. Sincerely yours, Jim __ Coral-List mailing list Coral-List@coral.aoml.noaa.gov http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/mailman/listinfo/coral-list

I wonder about if they aren't put through added stress in the qt tank? What size is it? Have any rocks or stuff to make it comfortable? Did you check the water quality? Ammonia and nitrite? pH? Temp?

Yeah- I've been able to find them for around $50. In last years aquatic eco catalog, they had them for $25, but now only carry the complete regulator with solenoid.

I'm looking for just a solenoid to add to my regulator. they should cost about $25- but I can't find them. Any sources?

I have been getting new starter bottles from tridacnareef.com, if you go on ebay, you can pickup 3 bottles for about $10 + shipping which is about another $6. You can chose 3 different things for that price. I have gotten stuff from them multiple times and been pretty happy (though the plankton reactor they sell I ended up not liking, and will sell cheap if someone wants it- allows culturing both rotifers and phyto in one unit). It works fine, but with the small volume, is easy to neglect. I can suggest a couple modifications that would make it easier.

http://petsolutions.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_25002515_A_Mag+Drive+Water+Pumps_E_

Ben- I used the larger of the single hole overflows on my 30 gallon tank and it worked fine. there is an inexpensive pump to put on the CPRs to keep an air block from forming (one of the draw backs to the "square" design of these. to be honest, I'd use one the the normal U-tube if I were to do it again- they are less prone to this airlock problem, and typically cheaper. Post some requests around and hunt e-bay. prices for these things new are rediculous! I would think the mag 7 would be a fine pump for that size tank. you will still want a maxijet or 2 in the tank though. that all said, if you are feeling adventurous and tony is willing to let you use his table saw for an hour (less actually- more like 20 minutes tops), I have scrap acrylic, weldon 60, and a bulkhead I can give you. You can pick up a u-tube inexpensively. I'm sure you can find some DIY designs for making and holding the 2 boxes. as far as lighting, it sounds like the fixture is for a double ended bulb. You can mount these in a canopy, it's not to difficult. not sure what you have around the house for tools, but Tony has a real nice table saw that you could but the pieces in no time on for the canopy. You could then also mount in your PCs as actinics. is the ballast for this remote? Or are you going to pickup a new retrofit? 55W bulbs or even 28W would be fine for the actinics. Other option is to pickup a VHO retro from hellolights and have 24" or 36" bulbs. I switched my PCs over to one of these setups for about $85 including the bulbs (more than half the cost). If you have a remote ballast on your PCs you can chop that up to run the lights into the new canopy. Might need some new endcaps, but they are not expensive. You are going to want fans as well- with a sump you can possibly blow a table top fan on it and it will do far more than a couple 4" fans in the canopy- though at least one of these won't hurt either. In all this will be both a good electrical and plumbing lesson for you that you will use time and again.

RE: Donations, from today's New York Times and a personal comment. On the personal comment note, I wish to encourage those who can to make a donation to help the people in this part of the world. Please keep in mind however, to give thought to who your donation goes to.... I encourge donations to Human rights organizations who will make sure the aid is directly delivered and are not relying on the Indonesian Government/Military regime to handle the aid efforts. The list of human rights violations by the Indonesian Military would take several pages, and they can not be counted on to help those in need. If you would like more information, www.democracynow.org is a good place to start. From the Times: Giving for a Cause, and That Cause Only By STEPHANIE STROM Published: January 5, 2005 mid the rush of generous donations to the disaster relief effort in southern Asia, more donors have insisted that their gifts go exclusively to help those victims, charities say, building on a trend seen after the Sept. 11 terror attacks. "People are very emotional, and they want their money to help the people that they see in pictures and on TV," said Thomas Tighe, president and chief executive of Direct Relief International, which distributes free medicine, supplies and equipment in an effort to improve health care around the world. "They make it clear that this is not about tragedies that exist elsewhere in the world, and they're very skeptical about how charities use their money." Advertisement Charities have long prized the "unrestricted" gift, which allows the organization to spend it as it chooses. But ever since donors learned that the American Red Cross planned to set aside for other uses more than $200 million donated for families of the victims of the Sept. 11 attacks, they have increasingly insisted on earmarking or restricting their gifts. "I think after 9/11, everyone realizes how important it is to communicate expectations and intentions," said Betsy Deisroth, director of development at the American Friends Service Committee, a Quaker agency that has raised more than $1 million for the emergency in southern Asia. On Tuesday, the Senate Finance Committee proposed that Congress approve a plan to allow taxpayers to claim a deduction in 2004 for cash gifts to tsunami relief efforts made through Jan. 31, 2005, in part to help support the efforts of former Presidents George H. W. Bush and Bill Clinton to stimulate private giving. Shortly after the disaster struck, Jack Siegel, a tax lawyer who is developing software to help charities improve their governance, analyzed a list of relief organizations in The New York Times to determine which gave donors a chance to earmark their contributions for the aid effort. He posted his findings on his Web site, http://charitygovernance.blogs .com. Four of the 14 charities he surveyed offered a clear method for earmarking gifts for tsunami relief efforts, he said. The rest were more ambiguous, and Mr. Siegel's Web log advised donors to take care in making their choices. Devorah Goldburg, a spokeswoman for the Red Cross, said that since Dec. 26, when the organization saw a huge surge in donations, it has decided that all gifts to its International Response Fund will be spent for tsunami relief efforts. "So much money poured in that we knew it had to be intended for these victims," she said. "Also, when a lot of people donate, they write 'tsunami relief' or something like that on their checks." Although the Red Cross has not been actively seeking donations, many companies are steering donors toward the group, and it has received pledges for $92 million. It has already allocated $25 million of that to buy food and $5 million to buy hygiene kits, tents and other supplies. Ms. Goldburg said the rest would also go to this relief effort but that some of the money might be reserved for longer-term needs, like mental health counseling. She said no decision had been made on when the Red Cross would again distribute donations to its International Response Fund to other crises. Last Wednesday, Doctors Without Borders posted a message on its Web site telling donors that it had collected as much as it would need to play its role in this disaster and inviting them to donate to its efforts in other places, including Sudan and Iraq. The organization collected more than $50 million to aid victims of the tsunami, and it was one of the first groups to express concern that the torrent of money flowing to southern Asia threatened to divert money from other needy locales. The American Friends Service Committee's Web site initially offered donors the option of contributing to its general fund or a crisis fund that it maintains to respond to emergencies. Once the organization had decided it was going to respond to this disaster, it added a checked box beside a line at the top of its online donation page saying, "I know that my contribution to the AFSC Crisis Fund will be used to help the survivors of the earthquake and tsunami in Asia." Donors who do not want to contribute to that crisis must opt out. Private charities report that a vast majority of donors for disaster relief fulfill their promises to deliver money - unlike governments, apparently. While the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs has applauded the more than $2 billion pledged by governments to date, it has also pointedly noted that experience suggests that some of those commitments will not be fully honored. For instance, of the $5.2 billion in aid pledged by governments to Afghanistan, only $3.9 million has been committed through contracts and only $3.3 billion is actually in use, according to Abby Stoddard, a research associate at the Center on International Cooperation at New York University. "There is a very different dynamic that goes through nonprofit and philanthropic organizations and how they raise money and what they do with it, and in some respects, they are more accountable than governments," said Shepard Forman, the center's director. "The I.R.S. audits what they do; there is no international audit mechanism for aid given through governments."

If you are looking for one used, also check the message boards on Reefcentral and reefs.org. Frequently the whole tank sales will show up there and never on this site. Plus you have a broader area. Philly etc isn't that far of a drive.... Good luck on your hunt. Michael

from coral list: A). In the mean time, here are some links that may be of interest: Tsunami simulation #1 ==> http://staff.aist.go.jp/kenji.satake/animation.gif Tsunami simulation #2 ==> http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/video/tsunami-indonesia12-2004.qt Info #1 ==> [3]http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2004/s2357.htm Info #2 ==> [4]http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqinthenews/2004/usslav/ Cheers, Jim B)Hello - I am sure you are all quite overwhelmed and dismayed over the tragic news in SE Asia. I have visited many of the areas impacted by this disaster and am having trouble reaching some friends. I'm really struggling to accept the gravity of this tragedy and the reality that some of these magical places are, in a moment, simply gone. Besides the tremendous human loss from this disaster, there is great concern for the survival of the already stressed coral reefs of Thailand and the Maldives. Besides the immediate damage caused by the amazing force of the tsunami, there is concern that the coastal water quality will be poor for some time, adding to the decline of the reefs there. Expectedly, little information is coming out on the status of coral reefs in the area. I have included some articles of interest below and the RPI website will be updated with articles as we find them. Please feel free to forward me any articles you come across that are not yet on the site. Here are the ones we've come across for now: http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/28733/story.htm ("Coral Reefs May Take Years to Recover from Tsunami") http://www.globalsecurity.org/eye/andaman-maldives.htm ("Indian Ocean Tsunami Imagery Male International Airport Republic of Maldives" - good info about the geography of the Maldives and the impact of the tsunami) http://www.scidev.net/news....uage=1 (" Mangrove forests can reduce impact of tsunamis ") I have received phone calls and e-mails asking where best to make donations to help out the millions left homeless, orphaned and struggling to survive. RPI is recommending two programs that we've researched and are confident precious donations will be best utilized: Greengrants to Match Donations to Tsunami Relief Effort (GreenGrants is a very well established and successful organization working in the affected areas and will match donations up to $5,000) http://greengrants.org/pressreleases.php?news_id=29 Save the Children Asia Earthquake/Tsunami Relief Fund (they have been working in these areas for years and are renowned for their low overhead ensuring that your donation gets to those that need it most - the children who are so vulnerable right now) http://www.savethechildren.org/radio_a....NewsID= Thank you and best wishes for a happy and safe 2005. Drew ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Drew Weiner Director Reef Protection International 300 Broadway, Suite 28 San Francisco, CA 94133 ph: 415-699-2091 fax: 415-788-7324 dweiner@reefprotect.org http://www.reefprotect.org *a project of Earth Island Institut C)Hello, Listers, This is from a liveaboard dive boat based in Thailand. Sorry about the length, I didn't want to edit. CBS NEWS DISTORTION To those of you who saw Ocean Rover in the CBS News report about coral damage: do not believe what they are telling you! We are furious at CBS. One of their producers contacted us and asked if we could help them get to the Similan Islands to report on coral damage. They assured us the piece would be “fair & balanced”. We did everything we could to assist the CBS news team and they spend half a day filming and interviewing people on board Ocean Rover. One of our clients kindly gave them his underwater video footage for use during the broadcast. CBS promised our client that his footage would be used in a responsible manner. Our Cruise Director Hans Tibboel described one specific divesite in Surin Island with the words: “it looked like a giant sandblaster was used”. Again, Hans was describing only one divesite and made positive remarks about the actual lack of damage at other places. Of course, the CBS editor used the “sandblast” soundbite and hardly anything else. Footage was also arranged in a “before & after” method that is not consistent with the real situation. All the beautiful “before” footage shown by CBS was actually filmed AFTER the tsunami. Somehow the media just cannot help themselves and turn everything into a gloom & doom story. CBS should be ashamed of what they did here. We have talked to their producer since but of course she blames the New York editor. This is the way the media works. The way the news piece came out is 100% the opposite of what was promised to us. We urge fellow dive operators to be very careful in dealing with the media. These people do not let scruples get in the way of a juicy story. Shameful! The CBS piece is damaging to our reputation and business. It paints the wrong picture about the true level of coral damage in the Similans AND it makes our own website reports look like lies. All we can say is when you dive with us, you trust us with your lives. When you read our website, you can trust us to be truthful. SITUATION IN PHUKET As the Indian Ocean Region slowly stabilizes it appears that Thailand, thanks to a more developed infrastructure, is able to recover from the disaster faster than placers such as Sumatra and Sri Lanka, which have the highest numbers of casualties. But in Thailand too there are countless human tragedies, people who lost their loved ones, their homes and their businesses. Still, everyone speaks of pulling together, rebuilding and surviving. Phuket, though hard hit on her west-coast beaches, is in better shape than Kao Lak and Pi-Pi islands and the clean-up is well underway. Patong Beach celebrated New Year's Eve in subdued fashion with a memorial service near the beach. In Phuket and Kao Lak, emergency relief aid is now in place with no immediate need for further shipments. In spite of the overwhelming events, people realize they have to pick up the pieces and get their lives and businesses back on track. Those who call this callous fail to see that last thing Phuket needs right now is an economic meltdown caused by tourists staying away as a result of inaccurate news coverage. Thousands of ordinary Thais are employed in the resorts that are now damaged and closed. Mass cancellations would destroy what is left of the island’s fragile economy. If you are booked for a Thailand holiday, please do not cancel. There are many exaggerated news stories about the situation in Phuket. Reports about disease, contamination, water and food shortages and even “widespread looting” are totally incorrect. TV footage of the horrific events of 26 December is repeated over and over but meanwhile a lot has happened that is not shown on TV. Everyone is working hard to return to some sort of normalcy and tourists are beginning to reappear on the beaches. Oddly, the beaches look like they did 20 years ago: white clean sand and calm seas. Mr Watchara Apornsiri, Director of the Royal Phuket Irrigation Project and a Phuket native declared that the sea water at Phuket's beaches is clean, uncontaminated and safe for swimming. HOW YOU CAN HELP We have received hundreds of messages of support and we are touched by everyone's concern. Many of you have expressed a wish to contribute money but worry that their contribution will simply be absorbed into machinery of some mega aid agency. People want to be certain their donation reaches those who really need it. There are several reputable organizations in Phuket setting up relief funds. One such organization is the Rotary Club of Patong Beach. The fund aims to supply immediate as well as long-term financial aid (e.g. scholarships) for children who lost their parents in the tsunami. You can make a donation on-line at www.rotarypatong.org http://www.rotarypatong.org/. Similar accounts are being set up by other clubs and individuals. More details as we learn them. No matter which fund you support, make sure you supply your details so you can be kept informed about what was done with your kind donation. Topics Author Date-->-->--> --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Send a seasonal email greeting and help others. Do good. __ Coral-List mailing list Coral-List@coral.aoml.noaa.gov http://coral.aoml.noaa.gov/mailman/listinfo/coral-list

Count them as individual corals for the purposes here- as if you were to purchase them as a colony from the wild, you would buy different color morphs- same for acropora. Aiming for rough numbers of "pieces" as opposed to diversity of species (which is another issue altogether). Thanks everyone for taking some time to help with this.... Michael