dgasmd June 29, 2003 Share June 29, 2003 Well, I was unable to go to the meeting. Did Bruce Carlson have some great new insight? Anything new and radical we should know about? I've never heard much about the guy other than the devide he was made famous for. Alberto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tgallo June 29, 2003 Share June 29, 2003 alberto,. he gave us the secret to a great setup and what not to do/ miss a good meeting lol. he spoke about his time in hawaii, awsome film footage on the setup, angel spawning, phyto culter's , el nino coral bleaching, shipping corals damp instead of fully submersed in a bag of water due to bacterial infections, his experiance with carnation's, talked about the up and coming georgia aquarium etc etc . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgasmd June 29, 2003 Author Share June 29, 2003 he gave us the secret to a great setup and what not to do Really, so what is it? Give me a little synopsis here. Throw me a bone here shipping corals damp instead of fully submersed in a bag of water due to bacterial infections I want to hear more about this. I actually know of a guy doing this already for frags and he claims good success with it. I actually got some frags from him a while back mailed overnight damped in paper towl and they did just fine. Alberto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tgallo June 29, 2003 Share June 29, 2003 well carson's theory is that the corals slime up to protect themselves instead of spueing the funkie stuff into the bag of water and possibly polluteing there water wich leads to bacterial infection. and the secret to a good tank setup is not missing a meeting :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgasmd June 29, 2003 Author Share June 29, 2003 and the secret to a good tank setup is not missing a meeting Well, did he also tell you about the leaking seals in new close loop set ups and how not to kill half your corals while switching tanks? :D :D Sorry, you asked for it......... Just kidding buddy :D :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tgallo June 29, 2003 Share June 29, 2003 no but he did tell me how to run your plumming so it's nice and neat and not to use power strips hanging by the cords next to the sump :D :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgasmd June 30, 2003 Author Share June 30, 2003 OK Tony. We can either keep it up and one of us (you :D ) will get offended or we can stop here. I just wanted to know if there was something I should know that I missed. Some of us (me ) don't have m-f 9-5 jobs. Did want to go, but couldn't be helped. I did hear it was a good talk. Maybe next time. :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tgallo June 30, 2003 Share June 30, 2003 alberto just having some fun, i think i summed it up the best my memory allows me to. who do you get your corals from/ frags / colony's etc, any good store's up your way worth visiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgasmd June 30, 2003 Author Share June 30, 2003 Tony: I have a small policy when it comes to livestock: all corals must be captive raised frags. 100% of it. I have gotten a bunch from a few online places, but the majority have come from local reefers. I have over 100 corals growing now and with the exception of 2 small platygyra, they were all frags. Those 2 are the only colonies I ahve ever gotten and it was from Dr. Mac at the summer meeting last year. http://home.attbi.com/~monaghan/ http://www.shawnbennett.com/ http://www.ocean-oasis.com/macros.htm http://www.upscales.com/home.ihtml http://www.reefstuff.com/store....y=frags http://www.theaquariumcity.com/ http://members.localnet.com/~playfair/4sale/availability.html http://suetruett.homestead.com/home.html http://www.reefaholics.org/ http://www.dynamicecomorphology.com/ http://www.reeffarmers.com/ http://www.kensreef.homestead.com/index.html http://www.soutassaltwater.com/ http://www.aquaprop.com/ http://www.angelfire.com/ma3/ghcorals/ Hope that helps. Always remember to allow about 4-6 inch of space beetwen frags because they will grow eventually. Alberto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelg June 30, 2003 Share June 30, 2003 Alberto- I will tell tom to look over your list of places and update the links for captive stock. Thanks. As far as the meeting- there wasn't anything revolutionary presented. It was a great presentation though, and bruce is an awesome movie maker. The presentation was done completely through DVD. He did show the surge device in operation down there though. Wow! Tony sold his toilet flapper one to reefmon for some redicoulous amount of $$$$. I was suprised not many people took va_reefman up on his riccordia. My wife and daughter bought 2 of them. Whole lot of frags donated, some nice donations from some of the online vendors (like champion and premium) and some swappings....Dr. Mac threw in 6 or so "bonus drawining" frags at the end. As far as the "damp method" of shipping corals. Tony got it mostly right, but let me clarify a few things as my memory serves.... This method is preferred for short distances. The main caveat is that you don't have the insulation provided by the water to help maintain temp. For east coast shipping I think it would work fine. From the Northwest region, might be a little risky, but who knows. As you have experienced the corals survive fine. The current thoughts on this way of shipping are that the corals have much better gas exchange. They slime either way. Bacterial infections don't really come into play. Eric B. did this when he was bagging up his frags to fly back to houston, and I thought he was nuts. Sanjay packed his frags that he drove back with in a minimal amount of water..... To some extent, it may depend on conditions? Haven't seen much documented about it, other than personal experiences. Now on to other things- for you frag hunters: I am working on the Pittsburg guys to make a road trip out here for a "best of the best" swap. I will invite the Philly guys down as well. Our next meeting is the "Frag workshop". No idea where Dr. Mac will be with his current project at the time, so no committment. Does everyone want a "speaker" or just a get slimey get together. I can see if Anthony can come out to get dirty with us, or perhaps someone else if anyone has suggestions (we have a bunch of small time farmers in the group though so we can easily put something together amongst ourselves). I am considering booking it on a Sunday for a change. It will be in MD. Any thoughts from the group welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sph2sail June 30, 2003 Share June 30, 2003 As far as the "damp method" of shipping corals. Tony got it mostly right, but let me clarify a few things as my memory serves.... This method is preferred for short distances. The main caveat is that you don't have the insulation provided by the water to help maintain temp. For east coast shipping I think it would work fine. From the Northwest region, might be a little risky, but who knows. As you have experienced the corals survive fine. The current thoughts on this way of shipping are that the corals have much better gas exchange. They slime either way. Bacterial infections don't really come into play. Eric B. did this when he was bagging up his frags to fly back to houston, and I thought he was nuts. Sanjay packed his frags that he drove back with in a minimal amount of water..... To some extent, it may depend on conditions? Haven't seen much documented about it, other than personal experiences. To add to MichaelG's post... Bruce showed the explicit steps he uses for damp shipping. He also stated two key things: 1. 18 hours or less in transit. Longer transit times might work, but mortality rates might be higher. 2. Temperature is critical. An insulated box sitting in a UPS truck at 90+ or 40- degrees for an hour or two would probably kill the lot. Be aware of seasonal issues in shipping related to temperature. Method he showed: - Cut up strips of heavy guage plastic bags. Looked to me like they were 2" wide and maybe 12-14" long. - Individually wrap the frag(s) in one or two strips for protection. - Insert the individually wrapped frag(s) into a tupperware container. - Pack in the container with more crumpled up strips to protect the frag from bouncing around. - Fill the container with saltwater. - Drain the container. Mebbe leave a tablespoon or two of water in there. - Seal the container. Tape seal it closed to protect against atmospheric pressure changes in aircraft. He used duct tape (of course, the universal tool). - Ship 'em in an insulated container. steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReefMon June 30, 2003 Share June 30, 2003 Pretty much the same as Delbreek and Sprung covered in TRA 1. And he teased us allot about all the great displays in the new aquarium he's not allowed to speak of.... I'm thinking he doing a Blue Whale tank! He did say they did marlin in Hawaii before :p Just the fact that he's budgeting for Five Thousand Gallons per day in evaporation is a clue, it's gonna be HUGE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgasmd June 30, 2003 Author Share June 30, 2003 Just the fact that he's budgeting for Five Thousand Gallons per day in evaporation is a clue, it's gonna be HUGE! Well, I guess he'll be getting in the same ballpark evaporation I am getting now in my nano tank :D :D :D 1. 18 hours or less in transit. Longer transit times might work, but mortality rates might be higher.2. Temperature is critical. An insulated box sitting in a UPS truck at 90+ or 40- degrees for an hour or two would probably kill the lot. Be aware of seasonal issues in shipping related to temperature. Method he showed: - Cut up strips of heavy guage plastic bags. Looked to me like they were 2" wide and maybe 12-14" long. - Individually wrap the frag(s) in one or two strips for protection. - Insert the individually wrapped frag(s) into a tupperware container. - Pack in the container with more crumpled up strips to protect the frag from bouncing around. - Fill the container with saltwater. - Drain the container. Mebbe leave a tablespoon or two of water in there. - Seal the container. Tape seal it closed to protect against atmospheric pressure changes in aircraft. He used duct tape (of course, the universal tool). - Ship 'em in an insulated container. Actually, this is very helpfull. I ahve bought some frags from someone in Michigan before and the way he sent them was taking the frag and wrapping them in paper towl that was damped in water. He put about 15 in one ziplock bag and shipped them in an insulated box. I was royally p....d when I unpacked it, but they all did well. Will give it a try. Alberto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelg July 1, 2003 Share July 1, 2003 The only problem with the paper towels I can see is that they may irratate the tissue more, but who knows, maybe it actually helps by soaking up the slime?????? Is this something we can run a test ourselves with and look at mortality of small frags? Perhaps do it with our own systems, returning the frag to the original tank to eliminate that variable???? Maybe 6-12 of us doing it with replicates? Of course we need somewhere in our own tanks to put the frags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatortailale July 1, 2003 Share July 1, 2003 He used duct tape (of course, the universal tool). steve Just like hardware on your temp canopy - duct tape for hinges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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