Ne0eN August 9, 2006 August 9, 2006 This is still a big mystery to me. For the past 2 days I cannot find my Coral Beauty Dwarf Angel! I've had this fish for over a year, and it's been healthy and doing really well. It was about 3" - beautiful deep blue and orange colors. Once in a while it got chased by my Kole Tang, but other than that it's been a pretty neutral tank. Until... but let me get to that later. My tankmates at present: 2 - Percula Clownfish (maybe Ocellaris - who can really tall them apart?) 1 - 2" Hippo Tang 1 - 2.5" Kole Tang 1 - 1.5" Royal Gramma 1 - 3.5" Watchman Goby 1 - 1.5" Spotted Mandarin -- R.I.P. 8/16/06 1 - 3" Coral Beauty (??) 1 - Coral banded shrimp 1 - Pistol shrimp the usual hermits and snails A week ago I've introduced a Pistol Shrimp. Ever since the tank has been a mess. Sand storm, new sandbed tunnels, caves, etc. I've been noticing that the Coral Beauty has been hiding more than usual. But it would always come out during feeding, and I clearly remember seeing it couple days ago. With all the sand polution going on, I've been paying attention to the Pistol Shrimp and not my other fish, so I don't exactly remember the last time I seen it - possibly Saturday - when Carla (Valeria) stopped by to get some frags. Then Sunday night, after the lights went out, I've introduced a new fish. A 4" Majestic (Blue Girdled) Angel that I rescued couple of weeks ago. I know I know... shouldn't mix Pomacanthidaes together, especially in a 60 gal reef, but since Coral Beauty is an dwarf angel and majestic is a true angel (and much bigger), I figured the Majestic won't mess too much with the Coral Beauty. Was I that wrong? The next day (Monday) I get home from work and Coral Beauty is nowhere to be seen. Majestic Angel is acting still a bit shy, cautiously coming out from one of the caves while feeding, and swiftly going back in. Not acting agressive at all. Other fish are acting normal, not really concerned that there is a new guy in the reef. So what could have happened? Could the Majestic have killed the Dwarf Angel within 4-5 hrs of lights coming on and my arrival from work? Why can't I find the remains? I've searched every crevice with a flashlight, to no avail. How long does it take for a 3" fat angelfish to fully decompose in the reef tank? (haven't noticed any increased skimmate production. I just can't believe a Majestic is the guilty one (although he makes for a pretty good scape-goat) Any ideas? -- Rob PS. There is no way a fish could have jumped. The tank is sealed with glass covers.
steveoutlaw August 9, 2006 August 9, 2006 Rob- I had a coral beauty disappear from my 120g. I found the carcas being feasted on behind one of the rocks ONLY because I saw all the critters lined up for the buffet. Turns out that the flow in my tank had pushed it to a spot in the back that I couldn't see and it got stuck there. Hopefully yours is just hiding because there's a new kid on the block. Good luck in finding it. Steve
ErikS August 9, 2006 August 9, 2006 Majestic Angel = Pomacanthus navarchus, Euxiphipops navarchus Coral Beauty = Centropyge bispinosus IMHO highly unlikely that these two different species would fight. As with most angels they can take care of themselves, but aren't generally overly agressive. Both of these two are on the more docile side of their respective species. Of course with fish anything goes & one can easily kill the other in a couple of hours. Remains can be real hard to find, as Steve mentions flow can take the corpse into some strange places.
Ne0eN August 9, 2006 Author August 9, 2006 Majestic Angel = Pomacanthus navarchus, Euxiphipops navarchus Coral Beauty = Centropyge bispinosus Hey Erik, Good to see you back again! Centropyge is one of the 9 genera under the umbrella of the family Pomacanthidae. But I agree, I also didn't think these two would be incompatible - hence why I gave it a shot. I always try to research as much as possible before introducing new life forms into my tank - despite all the surprises that always seem to come up. I think that's what makes it a great hobby! -- Rob
ErikS August 9, 2006 August 9, 2006 Centropyge is one of the 9 genera under the umbrella of the family Pomacanthidae. Sorry, too much typing and not enough coffee - my meaning was that they should be far enough apart that it shouldn't be a problem - oops, my mistake despite all the surprises that always seem to come up Yeah, I think the only "rule" in this hobby is that there are no rules. I had a majestic w/ a C. argi = no problems (& the cherub is fairly agressive)..............but given the "no rules" who can say. Hopefully the CB has just found some crevice in which to hide
Valeria August 9, 2006 August 9, 2006 The angel was there, she was huge! Hopefully she is just being shy, and will come out when she is used to the new addition.
Ne0eN August 17, 2006 Author August 17, 2006 Well the bad news is the Coral Beauty angel never reappeared. Gone! Dead. Not even a fish-bone left. The worse news is that now my Spotted Mandarin is also dead. Found him sitting on the bottom breathing heavily 2 days ago - which is unusual for this fish. Normally they're always scooting around and hunting. I moved him to my copepod-infested fuge where again he just sat there breathing. Last night, I found him dead. I've had him for about a year so not sure if he starved to death (although he didn't appear thin) He did have some redness around his mouth and some cotton-like thingy on his lips. Not sure what it was. Ich? I thought Mandarins were resistant to Ich... Also, none of my other fish have any ich symptoms. Hmm... -- Rob
dhoch August 17, 2006 August 17, 2006 Doesn't sound like ich... And while mandarins are resistant to ich (due to slime coat) that does not make them immune... Likely he had some other disease which caused his death. Dave
Valeria August 17, 2006 August 17, 2006 Everyone looked so healthy and huge couple weeks ago. Rob's tank was so clean, and fish were so well kept kind of hard to believe there was a sick fish in that tank. I'm sorry Rob.
ErikS August 17, 2006 August 17, 2006 ICH = looks like the fish has been "salted" (when it's extreme). Little white grains all over. He did have some redness around his mouth and some cotton-like thingy on his lips. Maybe this - Fish Diseases
Guest Bemmer August 17, 2006 August 17, 2006 Well the bad news is the Coral Beauty angel never reappeared. Gone! Dead. Not even a fish-bone left. The worse news is that now my Spotted Mandarin is also dead. Found him sitting on the bottom breathing heavily 2 days ago - which is unusual for this fish. Normally they're always scooting around and hunting. I moved him to my copepod-infested fuge where again he just sat there breathing. Last night, I found him dead. I've had him for about a year so not sure if he starved to death (although he didn't appear thin) He did have some redness around his mouth and some cotton-like thingy on his lips. Not sure what it was. Ich? I thought Mandarins were resistant to Ich... Also, none of my other fish have any ich symptoms. Hmm... -- Rob Rob, Sorry to hear about your losses. It is so frustrating when the fish die without any forseen explaination. I have had a few fish "disappear" in my tank never to be found again. Just as a preventative measure, I always soak my food in garlic extract to help build up their immune system. I also heard from Sean at F&F that squid helps build up the immune system as well. The squid would not have helped the manderin since they really on eat Mysis but it may work for your other fish. Just a though. Hope to see you and Pam soon. R-
kngfisher August 17, 2006 August 17, 2006 ICH = looks like the fish has been "salted" (when it's extreme). Little white grains all over. Maybe this - Fish Diseases ....strange that they list Copepods as a Disease http://www.waterlife.co.uk/waterlife/treat14.htm
Ne0eN August 17, 2006 Author August 17, 2006 ....strange that they list Copepods as a Disease http://www.waterlife.co.uk/waterlife/treat14.htm Better whip out that STARAZIN!!! -- Rob
HowardofNOVA August 17, 2006 August 17, 2006 Sorry for the loss Rob! Would like to hook up with you to the 260g tank at Pam's when I get back from the OBX! Howard Post 2800
Ne0eN August 17, 2006 Author August 17, 2006 Howard, Give me a call when you get back. Pam is now sporting a monster 15" T. Derosa clam!!! Pics coming... -- Rob
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