jamal February 2, 2007 Share February 2, 2007 it is somewhat difficult to find good info on this fish so i came here. i want a pair of the but my lfs tells me that it is better to have three of them for two reasons. first is one of them will become a male and that will offset the agressive courting of one male to one female between two females and one male. reason two is that it is the same price to get three females and it is difficult to get a male in the store. what do you guys think. im pretty sure i dont have sufficient space for 3 of these beautiful fish. what do u guys think or recommend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leishman February 2, 2007 Share February 2, 2007 (edited) I have a pair in my 250 and love them. These guys are not easy to acclimate so be sure your water is in top shape or you will be tossing $300 down the toilet. Don't buy 3 females, buy a M/F pair. Male Pair at the surface in this old tank shot (18 months ago) The Watanabe's Angel requires a 100 gallon or larger tank, and is an ideal candidate for the deep-water reef aquarium. Acclimation will be facilitated by a dimly-lit tank. The tank should have multiple hiding places and live rock for grazing. Watanabe's Angelfish are best housed as a male-female pair. Do not keep two males in the same tank as fighting will ensue. The Watanabe's Angelfish are hermaphroditic and difficult to breed. Watanabe's Angelfish seem very susceptible to swimbladder damage. A varied diet of meaty foods such as vitamin-enriched brine shrimp and finely-chopped crustacean flesh, Spirulina, marine algae, high-quality angelfish preparations, mysid or frozen shrimp, and other meaty items will provide good nutrition. Members of the genus Genicanthus are planktivores and will not bother corals or clams in the aquarium, making them the perfect reef angel. In Watanabe's angelfish, both sexes are light blue overall, but males have a deeper blue on the back, there are horizontal black stripes on the body, there are black stripes on the anal fin and the caudal lobes are blue. In females there are no stripes on the body or anal fin, there are black markings above the eye that are trimmed in bright blue and the caudal lobes have black bands on the margins. Not difficult to keep once acclimated. Keep only with very peaceful tankmates. This is a deeper water species that requires careful collection and handling, beware of cheap specimens. Edited February 2, 2007 by Leishman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamal February 2, 2007 Author Share February 2, 2007 (edited) would it be good to get two females so that one will turn into a male? also does it make more since to order them from a good online dealer or have a store order them? Edited February 2, 2007 by jamal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leishman February 2, 2007 Share February 2, 2007 I know John @ BRK has seen them on his list. I know that only 7 males a week come in to one of the biggest wholesalers in the US. FWIW, I got mine @ roozens 2 years ago for $210 (M/F Pair) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamal February 2, 2007 Author Share February 2, 2007 i contacted roozens and brk about them and roozens said check back on wednesday and i am still waiting to hear from johnny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bemmer February 2, 2007 Share February 2, 2007 i contacted roozens and brk about them and roozens said check back on wednesday and i am still waiting to hear from johnny Hey Jamal, There is a line forming to your right for these babies. I have already spoken to John @ BRK about the Watanabei angels. I would definately buy them from John, if given the chance...after me that is. Rebecca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamal February 2, 2007 Author Share February 2, 2007 i would prefer to get it from johnny but roozens gets them on a fairly regular basis and like you said there is a waiting list for him. i will wait until i talk to him first as i like the care he gives his fish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ireland February 2, 2007 Share February 2, 2007 I was at EA in Baltimore yesturday (Thursday 02/01) and they had one. I think it was $150.00 but I cannot remember for sure. I don't know if they had more than one though, it was not something I was looking for so I really didn't take much notice of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamal February 2, 2007 Author Share February 2, 2007 i just called roozens and they have a female but i want a male also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamal February 2, 2007 Author Share February 2, 2007 would it b ok to just get the female today and get the male next week? would they get along Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leishman February 2, 2007 Share February 2, 2007 How much are these things these days? I see the female is $129 on liveaquaria.com. The male is $249 (female on sale for $99) @ marinecenter.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dzekunoi February 2, 2007 Share February 2, 2007 How much are these things these days? I see the female is $129 on liveaquaria.com. The male is $249 (female on sale for $99) @ marinecenter.com They are not cheap for a poor student, I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamal February 2, 2007 Author Share February 2, 2007 yea for either you are looking at at least 100 for either fish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armson February 4, 2007 Share February 4, 2007 We have brought two pairs into the shop.(That I know of) So far none have made it past the first week. They are extremely hard to get healthy. The second pair we got in the male had a lot of damage from constantly slamming himself against the plastic bag. Be extremely careful when purchasing these fish. -Byron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geofloors February 4, 2007 Share February 4, 2007 (edited) I would try to get a different type of Genicanthus angel. I have the Bellus and they are even harder to get but seem to do better over the long term and their colors don't fade out. Wantanabie don't seem to do well past 1 year. Do you still have yours Rik? Semifasciatus and Melaonspilus seem to fade out too. Lamarks keep their color but the male and female look very similar to start with. Red sea Zebras seem to keep their colors to but are also difficult to find. IME, the Bellus are your best bet for Genicatnhus for maintaining color and long lifespan in a captive environment. George Edited February 4, 2007 by geofloors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamal February 5, 2007 Author Share February 5, 2007 im hoping johnny will get a nice pair and call me. i dont like the other species so i will just have to try them. also has anyone had problems with clams and this species of angel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamal February 5, 2007 Author Share February 5, 2007 i would like to know how long i can keep them in quarantine with what size tank. i only have a 20gal long for this. what would be the minimum size tank i would need for this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dzekunoi February 5, 2007 Share February 5, 2007 With your recent problems I really would hold getting anything as picky as this fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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