Irishblitz March 29, 2015 Share March 29, 2015 When a QT is not option (for whatever reason) what is the best method for treating a tank with ICH? Fish and corals present in tank or is there no chance to rid ICH? Keep in mind the easy answer for all/ and perhaps the only answer for some is a QT tank but take that out of the equation, is there no other way to rid a fully stocked tank of ICH? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wangspeed March 29, 2015 Share March 29, 2015 You can try feeding Ick shield. It's got CP in it so you need to make absolutely sure that they are not ingested by corals. I used it once and it was enough to get me through it since my fish are food crazy. After a while though, they may start turning down the food since it tastes funny. -- Warren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBVette March 29, 2015 Share March 29, 2015 Not any real good options. Keep feeding the fish and hope for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YHSublime March 29, 2015 Share March 29, 2015 You can buy quarantined fish by a few of our vendors. ERC has listed their QT procedure, and if you ask, most vendors will happily tell you their process. This doesn't solve your problem though, as you have to QT everything, water, rocks, inverts, cheato, etc. I am in a similar situation to you, in that I won't have the space. IMO, I don't believe I have the time, patience or diligence to QT everything. If you buy qt'd, I believe you increase your odds, this is just my opinion. To compensate for what you don't qt, feed often, feed well, and keep good water quality (and consistency.) the later I find more important than a quarantine process, again, opinion. There are great arguments to both sides, but I'd say 98% (guessed statistic,) of hobbyist don't qt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishgate March 31, 2015 Share March 31, 2015 There is no effective non-copper based treatment for Ich. This means Coral and Inverts could die if treated. If you don't treat all your fish may (probably will) die from Ich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallreef March 31, 2015 Share March 31, 2015 Riding it out and hoping for the best is really the only thing if you can't move them out to a QT tank... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkiboy March 31, 2015 Share March 31, 2015 There is no effective non-copper based treatment for Ich.cholorquine phosphate works very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishgate March 31, 2015 Share March 31, 2015 cholorquine phosphate works very well. I've looked at that before and found mixed reviews. Isn't this something you feed the fish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkiboy March 31, 2015 Share March 31, 2015 (edited) I've looked at that before and found mixed reviews. Isn't this something you feed the fish?the mixed reviews, like anything, are from folks with insufficient information passing it along or lack of due diligence in protocol or process. for more information reference the wonderful primer and discussion on RC - http://goo.gl/dDHnBH Edited March 31, 2015 by monkiboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishgate March 31, 2015 Share March 31, 2015 the mixed reviews, like anything, are from folks with insufficient information passing it along or lack of due diligence in protocol or process. for more information reference the wonderful primer and discussion on RC - http://goo.gl/dDHnBH Thanks! Given this, I hope the OP tries it and reports the results. Being able to combat ICH in the DT would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkiboy March 31, 2015 Share March 31, 2015 Thanks! Given this, I hope the OP tries it and reports the results. Being able to combat ICH in the DT would be great.sure thing. it's not for treatment in a reef/display tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtFully Acrylic (Adam B) April 1, 2015 Share April 1, 2015 I'm gonna have to side with YHSublime and MBVette here. Monkiboy in particular gave you a good suggested means of treatment outside the DT as well. Short of FULLY quarantining everything (listed well by YHSublime) there is always a chance of Ich making it into your DT with any new addition....not just fish. However, at least in my experience and strong opinion, I explain it like this... Look at Ich like the Flu. For most of us, we may be around the flu regularly but not catch it. Generally this is due to precautions we take to not contaminate ourselves. But, if we do get it then it sucks for a while. We are weak, we are vulnerable, we don't want to eat, etc.. It's not a fun experience, but in most cases we get over it in a short period all on our own as it runs it's course. However, if we were to be suddenly dropped into the middle of the Antarctic with the flu things may end up quite differently. We may not make it out. Is this directly as a result of the flu? Or is it a result of a combination of circumstances in an already weakened state that would have lead to our demise? Ich doesn't have to be a death sentence. I've had new fish in a system that were fully quarantined pop with Ich and in most cases quickly get over it. I've also had the same result with wild caught fish too in the past, though outbreaks were more common in those cases. I've had a system where no new fish had been added for months and no signs of ich for months only to see it pop up on a single fish. In the display tank we had in our store this would be unavoidable as our display was tied into our main frag tank so new additions of coral and more were frequent. In most cases where a fish didn't make it or get over it quickly, thereby requiring outside treatment,there is generally some other outside catalyst that is causing the issue. Ich looks for suitable hosts that are susceptible and make an easy host. Generally these fish may have some other stressor that has made them susceptible. This could be them being recently added to a new system, other new tankmates that are bullies, lack of appetite, other illness/parasite that is currently unseen, etc.. If the fish that you are having trouble with are eating well, active, not respirating strangely, or displaying other signs of distress then they will generally get over it all on their own. Best of Luck!! Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR-Tanked150 April 1, 2015 Share April 1, 2015 What was a great explanation of it, from Adam B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thakki April 15, 2015 Share April 15, 2015 Not any real good options. Keep feeding the fish and hope for the best. +1. There is nothing much you can do...just make sure your fish are fed with some garlic for building there immunity system...also agree with "YHSublime" on QT fish from vendors...most of my fish were from ERC...when they say QT they really mean it...I have had some bad experience with other vendors who claim that their fish is QT but not with ERC. So watch where you buy QT fish from too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul b April 15, 2015 Share April 15, 2015 cholorquine phosphate works very well. It works, but not very well, but probably better than nothing. It will also kill coral but not crustaceans. (You also do not have to change the water after treatment) It works very well in conjunction with copper, but of course you can't use that. If I were you (and I try not to get involved in ich threads) I would remove the corals, use the chlorquine, although I prefer quinicrine hydrochloride (which may be the same thing, I am not sure) and if you have or if you can borrow a diatom filter, I would also use that. Then I would feed live foods such as live blackworms every day. None of those things, by themselves will cure ich, but in your case, that's what I would do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zygote2k May 11, 2015 Share May 11, 2015 garlic is another one of those "cure-all" myths that pervade the hobby. It's modern day snake-oil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallreef May 11, 2015 Share May 11, 2015 (edited) garlic is good for is pizza and 'hopefully' inducing a fish to eat (which I've never understood since they don't eat pizza) but I think selcon would work better Edited May 11, 2015 by smallreef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul b May 11, 2015 Share May 11, 2015 garlic is another one of those "cure-all" myths that pervade the hobby. It's modern day snake-oil. Snake oil works very well but snakes are hard to find and harder to squeeze for their oil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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